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Loving You: The Untold Sondheim

Join Steve’s chum Martin Milnes and first love Peter E. Jones to explore Sondheim’s life both behind – and in front – of the camera. From directing Leonard Bernstein’s family in home movies and acting in his own work on screen, through to writing screenplays, his Oscar-win, and investigating the abandoned Hollywood movie of a cult Sondheim musical. 

 

‘I've got a treatment of Anyone Can Whistle, set in the Swiss Alps, called Anyone Can Yodel. If you know anyone who might be interested in producing, give me a call.'  – Sondheim's email to Lin-Manuel Miranda

 

How did Madonna react to Warren Beatty choosing Steve’s songs over hers? What did Steve feel about the Oscar-winning movie versions of his shows? And just what exactly happened that memorable night between Katharine Hepburn, Michael Jackson, Tom Stoppard and Steve? 

 

‘Mr. Sondheim – you are a sombre fellow. Couldn't you put a ray of hope into your show by having a ballerina in white coming down from the flies – and dancing across the stage - in such a dark piece as the one you've written?’ – Katharine Hepburn on Assassins


CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Jamie Bernstein: Steve The Director
04:03 - James Lapine: Sondheim Acts in ‘Opening Doors’

06:53 - Tom Fitzsimmons: Sondheim Acts in June Moon

11:05 - Steve & Martin: Movie Wordplay Puzzles

18:33 - Katharine Hepburn: The Prickly Next-Door-Neighbour

25:44 - Anthony Perkins: Co-writing The Last of Sheila

27:18 - Madonna & The Oscar: ‘Sooner Or Later’

31:25 - Lin-Manuel Miranda: Movie Versions of Steve’s Shows

35:30 - Exploring The Sondheim Movie-That-Never-Was

44:37 - Follies: 1974

50:50 - Steve & Martin: ‘A Beautiful Friendship’


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CREDITS

Hosts and Producers: Martin Milnes and Peter E. Jones

Executive Producer: Jason Caffrey

Produced in partnership with: Creative Kin 

Mixing and Mastering: Phoebe Murdoch, Chris Traves
Directed, Devised and Written by Martin Milnes

 

CAST AND VOICE ACTORS
Alistair McGowan, Charlotte Page, Eddie Andrews, James Gower-Smith, Rebecca Ridout, Daniel Cane and Mehran James McCullough. With Special Appearances by Tom Fitzsimmons, Gary Raymond – and – Elizabeth Seal.


DRAMATIC RE-ENACTMENTS
Written by:
Martin Milnes
Produced by: Peter E. Jones

Follies Screenplay by: Hugh Wheeler (with thanks to the Estate of Hugh Wheeler)
 
MUSIC AND SCORE

Original Score Composed by: Peter E. Jones
Music and Lyrics of Stephen Sondheim: Courtesy of The Stephen Sondheim Trust

Sondheim and Bernstein Instrumental Tracks: Provided by Broadway Studio Orchestra
Music of Stephen Sondheim: Played by Colm Molloy

"Give Another Regis Toomey" and Music by Ravel: Played by Gareth Valentine

"Night and Day" and "From This Moment On" (Porter): Played by Steve Ross


FEATURED SONGS & VOCAL PERFORMANCES

"Vissi D’arte” (Puccini): Sung by Maria Callas

"The Glory of Love” (Hill): Played by Benny Goodman and his Orchestra

"Love Me Tonight” (Rodgers & Hart): Sung by Jeanette MacDonald

"I Love The Way You Say Goodnight” (Wyle & Pola): Sung by Doris Day and Gene Nelson

"Our Language of Love” (Monnot, More, Henecker & Norman): Sung by Elizabeth Seal

"Always Mademoiselle” (Previn & Lerner): Attempted by Katharine Hepburn 

More description

Join Steve’s chum Martin Milnes and first love Peter E. Jones to explore Sondheim’s life both behind – and in front – of the camera. From directing Leonard Bernstein’s family in home movies and acting in his own work on screen, through to writing screenplays, his Oscar-win, and investigating the abandoned Hollywood movie of a cult Sondheim musical. 

 

‘I've got a treatment of Anyone Can Whistle, set in the Swiss Alps, called Anyone Can Yodel. If you know anyone who might be interested in producing, give me a call.'  – Sondheim's email to Lin-Manuel Miranda

 

How did Madonna react to Warren Beatty choosing Steve’s songs over hers? What did Steve feel about the Oscar-winning movie versions of his shows? And just what exactly happened that memorable night between Katharine Hepburn, Michael Jackson, Tom Stoppard and Steve? 

 

‘Mr. Sondheim – you are a sombre fellow. Couldn't you put a ray of hope into your show by having a ballerina in white coming down from the flies – and dancing across the stage - in such a dark piece as the one you've written?’ – Katharine Hepburn on Assassins


CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Jamie Bernstein: Steve The Director
04:03 - James Lapine: Sondheim Acts in ‘Opening Doors’

06:53 - Tom Fitzsimmons: Sondheim Acts in June Moon

11:05 - Steve & Martin: Movie Wordplay Puzzles

18:33 - Katharine Hepburn: The Prickly Next-Door-Neighbour

25:44 - Anthony Perkins: Co-writing The Last of Sheila

27:18 - Madonna & The Oscar: ‘Sooner Or Later’

31:25 - Lin-Manuel Miranda: Movie Versions of Steve’s Shows

35:30 - Exploring The Sondheim Movie-That-Never-Was

44:37 - Follies: 1974

50:50 - Steve & Martin: ‘A Beautiful Friendship’


Subscribe to Loving You: The Untold Sondheim on Apple and all good podcast apps to get every episode the moment it is released.
 

SUPPORT THE SHOW:

SUBSCRIBE to Loving You: The Untold Sondheim in your podcast app and be sure to get every episode the moment it is released.

RATE & REVIEW Leave a review in your podcast app and tell other Sondheim fans why they should listen.

SHARE Don't keep it to yourself! Share Loving You: The Untold Sondheim with other Sondheim fans you know.

FOLLOW Loving You: The Untold Sondheim on Instagram.

 

CREDITS

Hosts and Producers: Martin Milnes and Peter E. Jones

Executive Producer: Jason Caffrey

Produced in partnership with: Creative Kin 

Mixing and Mastering: Phoebe Murdoch, Chris Traves
Directed, Devised and Written by Martin Milnes

 

CAST AND VOICE ACTORS
Alistair McGowan, Charlotte Page, Eddie Andrews, James Gower-Smith, Rebecca Ridout, Daniel Cane and Mehran James McCullough. With Special Appearances by Tom Fitzsimmons, Gary Raymond – and – Elizabeth Seal.


DRAMATIC RE-ENACTMENTS
Written by:
Martin Milnes
Produced by: Peter E. Jones

Follies Screenplay by: Hugh Wheeler (with thanks to the Estate of Hugh Wheeler)
 
MUSIC AND SCORE

Original Score Composed by: Peter E. Jones
Music and Lyrics of Stephen Sondheim: Courtesy of The Stephen Sondheim Trust

Sondheim and Bernstein Instrumental Tracks: Provided by Broadway Studio Orchestra
Music of Stephen Sondheim: Played by Colm Molloy

"Give Another Regis Toomey" and Music by Ravel: Played by Gareth Valentine

"Night and Day" and "From This Moment On" (Porter): Played by Steve Ross


FEATURED SONGS & VOCAL PERFORMANCES

"Vissi D’arte” (Puccini): Sung by Maria Callas

"The Glory of Love” (Hill): Played by Benny Goodman and his Orchestra

"Love Me Tonight” (Rodgers & Hart): Sung by Jeanette MacDonald

"I Love The Way You Say Goodnight” (Wyle & Pola): Sung by Doris Day and Gene Nelson

"Our Language of Love” (Monnot, More, Henecker & Norman): Sung by Elizabeth Seal

"Always Mademoiselle” (Previn & Lerner): Attempted by Katharine Hepburn 

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