Jesse Michels: UFOs, David Grusch, Venture Capital

I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE Jesse Michels examines UFO claims from David Grusch, the role of venture capital, and how private investment is shaping UFO research. We discuss misinformation, scientific implications, and challenges of studying the phenomenon.

0:55 Interviewing David Grusch
9:00 Fighting misinformation in UFO studies
13:07 Consciousness and parapsychology
16:24 String theory and physics
20:46 Jesse's relationship w/ Grusch
25:59 Reverse engineering programs
37:00 Oppenheimer's UFO involvement?
51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes
1:20 00 Lessons from investment failures
1:41 53 UFOs and the private sector (Wilson memo, AATIP)
1:50 01 Unseen parts of Grusch interview
2:03 05 Best evidence for UFOs
2:10 23 Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)
2:22 08 Anomalies pointing to new paradigms
2:35 03 Grusch's 2024 predictions
2:38 32 Avi Loeb's criticism
2:52 59 Advice for studying the phenomenon
3:00 17 Curt's disappointment in UFO revelations

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- 1950s quantum gravity & UFOs doc: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc
- Jacques Vallee [TOE]: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE
- News Nation w/ Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc
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