We Win It In Pretoria": Bunce & Marshall Relive 1996 — The Historic All Blacks Series Win in South Africa

30 years ago the All Blacks won their first test series on South African soil.

Andy Rowe sits down with two men who were there: Frank Bunce and Justin Marshall. They relive the 1992 return tour after apartheid, the intimidation of Ellis Park, Jonah Lomu's 1995 World Cup, and the week in Pretoria where Sean Fitzpatrick told the team: "There's no way we're going to Ellis Park with the series on the line."

Plus: the Michael Brial fight, the famous "too old, too slow, two tries" headline, Bunce's legendary partnership with Walter Little, why the All Blacks haven't settled a midfield since Ma'a Nonu and Conrad Smith, and whether this All Blacks side can win the series again.

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00:00 Intro: two members of the '96 All Blacks in studio

00:28 1992: the first tour back after apartheid

02:19 Danie Gerber: greatest centre ever?

03:56 Ellis Park: walking into the lion's den

07:31 1995: Jonah Lomu changes rugby forever

11:58 Running out for the '95 World Cup final and Mandela

14:25 Turning the page to the 1996 tour

15:13 The midweekers: why a squad of 36 won the series

17:03 Tri Nations battles and Bunce's winner in Brisbane

19:28 "We win it in Pretoria" — Fitzpatrick's message

22:16 Facing that Springbok side

24:07 John Preston, Zinzan's drop goal and the pivotal moments

26:23 The goal-line stand

28:40 The toughest Springboks Bunce ever faced

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