The Vergecast

Nilay Patel talks with Verge reporter Bijan Stephen and video producer Mariya Abdulkaf about The Verge's new multimedia project Capturing the Police.

Capturing the Police is a project from The Verge about how people use technology to bring awareness of police brutality and racism — and what it costs them when they agitate for justice.

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Wired's Lauren Goode returns to the show to discuss Microsoft's soon-to-be released Surface Duo, Amazon's new fitness tracker, and an update on Apple's battle with Epic over the App Store. 

Stories this week:

• FDA authorizes Abbott’s fast $5 COVID-19 test
• FDA authorizes convalescent plasma to treat COVID-19 
• Tracking COVID-19 through symptom monitoring will be harder when flu season starts
• Facebook chose not to act on militia complaints before Kenosha shooting
• Facebook takes down ‘call to arms’ event after two shot dead in Kenosha 
• Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman interview
• Amazon announced Halo, a fitness band and app that scans your body and voice
• Amazon Look review (2017)
• Fitbit’s new Sense smartwatch can take your skin’s temperature to help you manage stress
• Microsoft Flight Simulator players are flying into Hurricane Laura
• Fall Guys is the feel-good game of the summer
• Samsung’s Galaxy Z Fold 2 doesn’t have a release date, but you can already watch this review
• This could be the first real picture of the Pixel 5
• Sony Xperia 5 II leak reveals a new 120Hz display and a headphone jack
• The Asus Zenfone 7 adds a third lens to its neat flipping camera
• LG’s swiveling ‘Wing’ phone allegedly revealed in video leak
• TikTok sues Trump administration over US ban
• Kevin Mayer quits as TikTok CEO due to ongoing political turmoil
• Walmart says it’s partnering with Microsoft on a TikTok deal
• Epic judge will protect Unreal Engine — but not Fortnite
• Why Epic can’t afford to lose the Unreal Engine in its legal fight with Apple
• Read the emails between Epic and Apple that led to Fortnite’s App Store ban
• Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in new motion
• Epic confirms Fortnite’s new season won’t be on iPhone, iPad, or Mac
• Fortnite is splitting into two different games because of Epic and Apple’s fight
• Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases after all
• Fortnite on iOS already feels empty and dated
•  Apple’s move to make advertising harder on iOS 14 is part of a trend
• Announcing the Get Wired podcast

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Antitrust criticism of big tech companies like Google, Apple, and Amazon have been louder than ever — from the consumers to the tech companies who compete with them. Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman has been vocal for years about the problem with Google’s dominant market share in maps, local search, and reviews.

“I’ve been working on it for over a decade and it’s great to see that more people have jumped on board.” Stoppelman says. “When we started out criticizing Google and highlighting some of their abuses, we got — especially from Silicon Valley — so many eye rolls.”

The Verge’s Nilay Patel and Casey Newton recently caught up with Stoppelman to discuss the evolving view of the media and the public on the tech monopolies, as well as how Yelp is handling their competition and what possible changes can be made with regulation from the government.

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Dieter, Dan, and Becca discuss reviews of Samsung's Galaxy Note 20 Ultra, Galaxy Buds Live, and Galaxy Watch 3. They also discuss a potential BlackBerry phone coming to the market...in 2021. 

Stories from this week:

• Attack of the gaiters 
• Galaxy Note 20 Ultra review
• How Samsung’s beans broke the mold of wireless earbuds
• iFixit’s Galaxy Buds Live teardown shows that even Samsung calls them beans
• Samsung Galaxy Buds Live review: good sound, unique …
• Google’s Pixel Buds are now available in more colors nearly four months after launch
• Google’s Pixel Buds get new transcribe mode, attention alerts, and sharing detection
• Samsung Galaxy Watch 3 review: time for a change
• Fossil updates its Gen 5 smartwatches with sleep tracking and more fitness features
• The Nubia Watch is a decadent OLED smart bracelet
• New images of Fitbit Versa 3 and Fitbit Sense leak
• Epic says Apple threatens ‘catastrophic’ response in two weeks if Fortnite doesn’t comply with rules
• Apple tells Epic ‘we won’t make an exception’ for Fortnite
• Uber CEO on the fight in California: ‘We can’t go out and hire 50,000 people overnight’
• Here’s your best look yet at ZTE’s first smartphone with an under-display camera
• Apple is now a $2 trillion company
• A new 5G BlackBerry phone with Android and a physical …

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Lana Swartz, assistant professor of media studies at the University of Virginia about her new book New Money: How Payment Became Social Media.

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Nilay, Dieter, Tom, and Dan discuss the timeline of events that lead to Epic Games suing Apple and Google after being kicked out of mobile app stores. They also discuss Microsoft's announcement of the Surface Duo's release date and technical specs.

Stories discussed this episode:

• Big Tech pledged a billion to racial justice, but it was pocket change
• US passes 5 million coronavirus cases
• Big airlines are hoarding cash to survive the pandemic
• Vaping linked to higher risk of COVID-19 in teens and young adults, study finds
• Microsoft opens xCloud game streaming beta early on Tuesday
• Apple confirms cloud gaming services like xCloud and Stadia violate App Store guidelines
• Microsoft condemns Apple’s App Store policies
• Facebook slams Apple’s App Store policies, launches Facebook Gaming on iOS without games
• Fortnite vs Apple vs Google: a brief and very incomplete timeline
• Epic offers new direct payment in Fortnite on iOS and Android to get around app store fees
• Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
• Watch Epic’s Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite short mocking Apple right here
• Epic Games is suing Apple
• Fortnite for Android has also been kicked off the Google Play Store
• Epic is suing Google over Fortnite’s removal from the Google Play Store
• Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games
• Fortnite vs Apple vs Google: a brief and very incomplete timeline
• Epic rallies Fortnite players against Apple with a warning that they’ll miss the next season
• Microsoft’s Surface Duo arrives on Sept 10th for $1,399
• Microsoft releases Surface Duo press event video with 30 minutes of demos
• The Xbox Series X could launch on November 6th
• Microsoft’s new Xbox Series S console confirmed in leaked controller packaging
• When I don’t buy the new Xbox, Microsoft will laugh all the way to the bank
• Android is becoming a worldwide earthquake detection network
• Google is re-adding a Calendar app to Android Auto so you can see how to get to your next appointment
• Google Maps finally works with CarPlay’s excellent dashboard mode
• Google promises the next Wear OS update will launch apps up to 20 percent faster

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks with New York Times reporter Taylor Lorenz about what actually happens to TikTok users, creators, and the influencer economy if a ban on the app was implemented in the United States.

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Nilay, Dieter, Becca, Chris, and Dan discuss the products announced at Samsung's virtual event this week, as well as the Google Pixel 4a review, a new 27-inch iMac, and Greg Joswiak replacing Phil Schiller as head of Apple marketing.

Stories discussed this week:

• Apple and Google’s COVID-19 tracking system will make its full US debut in new Virginia app
• We can’t skip steps on the road to a COVID-19 vaccine
• Twitter blocked Trump campaign account from tweeting over COVID-19 misinformation
• Facebook removes Trump post for falsely claiming children are ‘almost immune’ to COVID-19
• One tweet tried to identify a cop — then five people were charged with felony harassment
• President Trump withdraws FCC renomination after 5G controversy
• Donald Trump trying to control the FCC is a ‘disaster,’ says Sen. Ron Wyden
• President Trump says he will ban TikTok in the US today
• How the Trump administration could ‘ban’ TikTok
• Apple is not interested in buying TikTok
• Instagram launches Reels, its attempt to keep you off TikTok
• Google announced Pixel 5, Pixel 4a 5G, and Pixel 4a all at once
• Pixel 4a review
• Galaxy Note 20 first look 
• The Galaxy Z Fold 2 is Samsung’s big promise that it can fix its foldable future
• Samsung Galaxy Buds Live review
• The best part of the Samsung Galaxy Tab S7 Plus is its screen
• Sony WH-1000XM4 review
• Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple marketing
• The new 27-inch iMac’s webcam isn’t just better; it’s smarter
• Scientists rename human genes to stop Microsoft Excel from misreading them as dates

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The Verge's Nilay Patel and Adi Robertson talk to Senator Ron Wyden, who co-authored Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

Wyden discusses the forced sale of TikTok to a US-based company, the bills out to reform Section 230, his new privacy bill preventing law enforcement from buying data on the open market, and how Trump's handling of recent FCC nominations is a "disaster."

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Nilay, Makena, Adi, and Casey discuss the important moments from Congress' antitrust hearing with Apple’s Tim Cook, Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, and Google’s Sundar Pichai.

Stories discussed this week:

• Antivirus: A weekly digest of the latest COVID-19 research
• Kodak is branching out into pharmaceuticals with US investment
• Twitter forced Donald Trump Jr. to delete tweet spreading COVID-19 misinformation
• Moms in Tech Facebook group splintering over allegations of racism
• Google will keep employees working remotely until July 2021
• NASA’s life-hunting Mars rover is officially on its way to the Red Planet
• Tech antitrust hearing: all the news, updates, and documents from Congress’ big moment
• Everything you need to know from the tech antitrust hearing
• What Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Apple have in common
• Antitrust panel says the messages show Zuckerberg trying to buy out his competition
• Jeff Bezos can’t promise Amazon employees don’t access independent seller data
• Google’s business model ‘is the problem,’ David Cicilline says
• The iconic Flip Video almost became Google’s first camera, emails show
• Amazon bought Ring for market position, not technology, emails suggest
• Read Steve Jobs’ emails about why you can’t buy digital books in Amazon’s apps
• Facebook usage and revenue continue to grow as the pandemic rages on
• Google parent company Alphabet sees its first revenue decline in history
• Apple reports strong Mac and iPad sales in record-breaking Q3 earnings

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Verge editor-in-chief talks with Wired senior editor Andy Greenberg, author of Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers.

Greenberg's book is all about a group of hackers inside the Russian government called Sandworm, who were responsible for damaging cyber warfare attacks in various countries over the past few years.

Andy and Nilay discuss the origins of Sandworm, the intricacies of their attacks, and how they escalated what we think of as "cyber war."

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Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn talk with Casey Newton and Makena Kelly about what to expect at the upcoming big tech antitrust hearings featuring Jeff Bezos, Tim Cook, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sundar Pichai. Megan Farokhmanesh and Andrew Webster return to discuss the games announced at the Xbox Games Showcase this week.

Stories from this week:

• New COVID testing strategy could speed up backlogged labs
• ‘COVID parties’ are a pandemic urban legend that won’t go away
• The tech antitrust hearing is shaping up to be one for the ages
• Antitrust investigations aren’t the biggest threat to Facebook’s future
• The big winner in Slack’s Microsoft fight could be Google
• Xbox Games Showcase: all the news from Microsoft’s July 2020 event
• Sony’s first vlogging camera almost nails it 
• Latest iOS 14 beta offers more evidence of a 5.4-inch iPhone
• Alexa will soon be able to launch Android and iOS apps using voice commands
• Samsung promises new mobile and TV products at virtual September event
• Blurry Samsung Galaxy Fold 2 leak hints at camera upgrades and gold model
• Samsung’s Galaxy Note 20 Ultra may try to be the Xbox Phone
• This is what Samsung’s bean-shaped Galaxy Buds Live will look like in your ears
• The brain behind the Google Pixel camera is building a universal camera app for Adobe
• Windows 10X might not arrive until 2021

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Cybersecurity journalist Kim Zetter talks with The Verge's Nilay Patel and Russell Brandom about the state of election security in the US — what methods are being proposed to stop potential interference in the voting process, the problems with mail-in voting during a pandemic, and how voting machines are not always the best solution for a presidential election.

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The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, Russell Brandom, and Julia Alexander discuss an unprecedented Twitter hack this week, the release of NBCUniversal's new streaming service Peacock, and the potential restrictions on TikTok in the US.

Stories discussed this week:

• White House reportedly orders hospitals to bypass CDC during COVID-19 data collection
• CDC employees say the agency has a culture of ‘racial aggression’
• Etsy sellers are offering sheer mesh face masks that provide ‘very little protection’
• Seventeen states sue Trump administration over new student visa guidelines
• Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Elon Musk, Apple, and others hacked in unprecedented Twitter attack
• Twitter shut off the ability for many people to tweet after massive hack
• Twitter reveals that its own employee tools contributed to unprecedented hack
• Lawmakers demand more details on Twitter’s massive hack
• The massive Twitter hack could be a global security crisis
• Twitter says passwords were spared in yesterday’s attack, but it’s still working to restore locked accounts
• The FBI opens investigation into Twitter attack over national security concerns
• White House says restrictions on TikTok could come in ‘weeks, not months’
• TikTok’s biggest problem is outside its control
• Peacock’s interface aims to recreate the feeling of live TV, but it comes up short 
• Why Peacock and HBO Max aren’t on the biggest streaming platforms
• How to stream Peacock
• Netflix names content chief Ted Sarandos as co-CEO
• Netflix adds another whopping 10 million subscribers, but warns growth may slow
• Microsoft discontinues Xbox One X and Xbox One S digital edition ahead of Series X launch
• Xbox Series X can play all Xbox One games, unless they use Kinect
• Microsoft to launch xCloud streaming free with Xbox Game Pass Ultimate in September

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The Verge's Why’d You Push That Button? is back for a special episode all about virtual dating in 2020. The pandemic has forced us all to stay at home when we can, which means if you want to go on a date, it may have to be done online.

Ashley Carman and Kaitlyn Tiffany return to talk to online daters and app makers about how they are adapting to virtual-only dating, and what features and behaviors will stick around after social distancing and the pandemic end.

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Nilay Patel talks to Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change.

Color of Change, an online racial justice organization, is one of the groups leading the ad boycott against Facebook and other social media companies in response to hate speech appearing on the platforms.

In the interview, Robinson talks about how the boycott campaign came together; his history pushing Facebook on issues of hate speech and civil rights; and meeting with Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg, and fellow leaders of the boycott to discuss the Facebook civil rights audit and how the company can improve the platform.

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Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Dan Seifert discuss Apple's iOS14 public beta, the future of Google's phones, and what to expect at Samsung's next hardware event.

Stories discussed this week:

• This isn’t a COVID-19 wave — it’s a tsunami
• Tracing the link between your phone and the next pandemic
• Doctors are better at treating COVID-19 patients now than they were in March
• After the pandemic, doctors want their new robot helpers to stay
• Facebook and Instagram will remind people to wear face masks
• White YouTube creators struggle to address past use of racist characters
• Everything that the big social networks banned this week, ranked
• Coca-Cola, Microsoft, Starbucks, Target, Unilever, Verizon: all the companies pulling ads from Facebook
• Facebook auditors call out Mark Zuckerberg for ‘vexing and heartbreaking decisions’
• iOS 14’s public beta is rolling out today
• iOS and iPadOS 14 public beta preview: something for everybody
• Reddit says it’s fixing code in its iOS app that copied clipboard contents
• LinkedIn says it will stop repeatedly copying iOS clipboard
• Apple promises to support Thunderbolt on its new ARM Macs
• Intel’s Thunderbolt 4 standard looks to raise the bar for USB-C devices
• Google’s Pixel 3A is discontinued, but these retailers are still selling it
• Samsung reportedly won’t include chargers with some phones starting next year
• Samsung needs a splashy product for its splashy product launch
• Mysterious new Samsung wearable revealed in FCC filings
• Logitech is already giving up on its Alexa-powered Harmony remote control
• Google’s upcoming Nest speaker revealed in regulatory filing
• BMW is going all-in on in-car microtransactions
• A weakened version of the EARN IT Act advances out of committee
• Fading Light: the story of Magic Leap’s lost mixed reality magnum opus
• I built my own camera with a Raspberry Pi 4

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to founder and CEO of Luta Security Katie Moussouris.

Moussouris has a long history in computer security, working at Microsoft and the Department of Defense creating their first bug bounty programs to incentivize catching and reporting security bugs and vulnerabilities in software systems.

Nilay and Katie discuss the good and bad of bug bounties, encryption dilemmas with consumer devices, voting security in elections, and overall how we keep our software and networks secure.

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This week we’re sharing an episode of Land of the Giants, a podcast from our friends at Recode and the Vox Media Podcast Network that examines the most powerful tech companies of our time.

The second season is called The Netflix Effect, and it’s hosted by Recode editors Rani Molla and Peter Kafka.

The Netflix Effect explores how a company that began as a small DVD-by-mail service ultimately upended Hollywood and completely changed the way we watch TV.

It’s a fascinating look at what really goes on behind the scenes at Netflix, one of the few companies that’s actually growing during the pandemic, and how they’re continuing to transform entertainment for you and me.  

New episodes are released every Tuesday morning. 

 listen and subscribe to Land of the Giants: The Netflix Effect wherever you get The Vergecast.

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Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn welcome back Verge alum and Wall Street Journal columnist Joanna Stern to discuss the big announcements from Apple's developer conference this week. Verge news editor Chaim Gartenberg joins in the second half to discuss the Apple updates you may have missed.

Stories discussed this week:

• Fire and plague prepared these teens for the world
• New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut will quarantine travelers from states with surging COVID-19 cases
• The EU plans to ban US travelers indefinitely after haphazard COVID-19 response
• The healing power of Black art
• Big Sur is officially macOS 11.0 as Apple finally leaves OS X behind 
• Macs with new Apple-built chips will natively run iPhone and iPad apps
• Apple’s new ARM-based Macs won’t support Windows through Boot Camp
• Apple details iOS 14, its next major software update
• iOS 14 and iPadOS 14 will let you set default email and browser apps
• watchOS 7 announced with sleep tracking and rebranded Fitness app
• Apple TV 4K will at last play YouTube in 4K with tvOS 14 update
• AirPods updated with automatic switching and a new ‘Spatial Audio’ feature
• Apple teases new tracking protections and an approximate location feature in iOS 14
• Apple approves Hey email app, but the fight’s not over
• After outcry, Apple will let developers challenge App Store guidelines
• Hey opens its email service to everyone as Apple approves its app for good
• Microsoft is shutting down Mixer and partnering with Facebook Gaming
• Mixer failed — here's why

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and policy editor Russell Brandom talk to founder of CryptoHarlem and cybersecurity expert Matt Mitchell, who works with activists to develop strategies to leave less data behind and help mitigate threats to their cause.

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Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn run through the most interesting rumors and predictions of announcements at Apple's WWDC next week. Adi Robertson joins to discuss the latest threat to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

Stories discussed in this episode:

• Cheap steroid reportedly improves survival for severe COVID-19 cases
• FDA ends emergency authorization for hydroxychloroquine 
• Why there’s so much confusion around asymptomatic COVID-19 cases
• The gadgets Late Night with Seth Meyers uses to keep the show running from home 
• Google commits $175 million to racial equity with focus on black-owned businesses
• Instagram’s CEO says the platform is examining how its policies affect black users
• Apple faces another EU antitrust complaint as App Store pressure grows
• Apple says the App Store created $519 billion in commerce last year
• Justice Department asks Congress for a sharp cut to websites’ legal protections
• Senate Republicans want to make it easier to sue tech companies for bias
• Facebook removes Trump ads for using Nazi imagery
• Google Ads bans Zero Hedge for racist content, but reverses

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Apple is acting like a monopolist and a bully, according to the chairman of the House Antitrust Committee.

Rep. David Cicilline (D-RI) joined The Vergecast along with Basecamp CTO David Heinemeier Hansson to discuss the plight of Hey, Basecamp’s new $99-a-year premium email service. Earlier this week, Heinemeier Hansson revealed that Apple had rejected the Hey iPhone app from the App Store because it didn’t offer any way to sign up and pay in the app itself — which would require giving Apple a 30 percent cut of the fee.

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and Verge reporter Makena Kelly talk to Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts about bringing broadband access into rural areas, the technology plights caused by the pandemic, privacy concerns over contract tracing, and the race to 5G.

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Stories discussed this week:

• Tinder CEO Elie Seidman on finding love during the pandemic
• It’s hard to figure out how often people without symptoms spread COVID-19
• Inside Nextdoor’s ‘Karen problem’
• Nextdoor tells community leads to allow Black Lives Matter discussions after exposé
• Contact tracing programs have to work with local communities to be successful
• Apple launches $100 million Racial Equity and Justice Initiative
• Android 11 beta: all the announcements
• Android 11: conversations, bubbles, and making sense of complexity
• Five new features Android 11 borrows from the iPhone
• Android 11 may be the best texting platform if you use multiple chat apps
• Apple’s virtual WWDC keynote will take place on June 22nd at 1PM ET
• Apple will announce move to ARM-based Macs later this month, says report
• Apple pulls podcast apps in China after government pressure
• The new Sonos app and S2 update are available now
• IBM will no longer offer, develop, or research facial recognition technology
• Amazon bans police from using its facial recognition technology for the next year 
• Microsoft won’t sell facial recognition to police until Congress passes new privacy law

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Tinder and its parent company Match Group have weathered the COVID-19 pandemic relatively well, all things considered. User engagement is up, as is interest around new product features, like video calls. More than six years after its launch, Tinder is finally introducing a one-on-one video calling feature that it says will be heavily moderated for content and safety. At the same time, Tinder CEO Elie Seidman says he and his team are focusing on how to keep young people coming to the app and how they can build digital relationships inside of it, especially as in-person dates slow down.Seidman joins Vergecast host Nilay Patel and Verge senior reporter Ashley Carman for a chat about the future of the platform, how it’ll keep people safe over video calls, and what happens to its Tinder U initiative that it’s focused on for years. Plus, he explains how Joe Exotic might be more important to a relationship than living near each other.

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Stories from this episode:

• Blaming protesters for COVID-19 spread ignores the bigger threats to health
• 5G coronavirus conspiracy theorists are endangering the workers who keep networks running
• Telehealth wasn’t designed for non-English speakers
• The pandemic has made it harder to buy a new laptop
• Byte flight
• The United States will cut ties with the World Health Organization, says President Trump 
• FCC extends deadline for ISPs to quit charging customers who use their own equipment
• K-pop stans overwhelm app after Dallas police ask for videos of protesters
• SpaceX successfully launches first crew to orbit, ushering in new era of spaceflight
• A rocket launch can’t unite us until the space world acknowledges our divisions
• Watch NASA astronauts fly SpaceX’s Crew Dragon using touchscreens
• SpaceX’s Crew Dragon successfully docks with the space station
• What the future of the space station looks like after SpaceX’s historic launch
• Meet the cute stuffed dinosaur that hitched a ride on SpaceX’s historic launch
• SpaceX is launching its latest batch of internet satellites, including one with a visor
• Trump’s Twitter order violates the First Amendment, new lawsuit claims
• Facebook won’t take any action on Trump’s post about shootings in Minnesota
• Facebook employees walk out in protest of Donald Trump’s posts
• Twitter takes action against Rep. Matt Gaetz for glorifying violence
• In leaked audio, Mark Zuckerberg expressed ‘disgust’ with Trump’s posts
• Mark Zuckerberg defends hands-off Trump policy to employees after walkout
• Nine things we learned from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg facing his employees
• Ban them all
• What other social networks can learn from Snapchat’s rebuke of Trump
• Huawei P40 Pro review: there’s a catch
• HBO Max won’t hit AT&T data caps, but Netflix and Disney Plus will
• The Sonos Arc puts convincing surround sound in a single soundbar
• Here’s our best look yet at Google’s new Android TV streaming device

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and Verge reporter Julia Alexander talk to Otter Media CEO Tony Goncalves on his new project overseeing HBO Max.

Goncalves discusses AT&T's strategy for the WarnerMedia streaming service, the dispute with getting the app on Roku and Amazon, HBO Max's place in the streaming wars, and how their data usage works on mobile.

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Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn welcome back Adi Robertson and Casey Newton to the show to discuss Trump's executive order targeting social media companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Google. Julia Alexander also stops by to discuss the launch of WarnerMedia's new streaming service HBO Max.

Stories discussed this week:

• Google search results will take ‘page experience’ into account next year
• T-Mobile now supports cross-carrier RCS messaging
• Google Messages may finally be adding end-to-end encryption for RCS
• Why Twitter labeling Trump’s tweets as “potentially misleading” is a big step forward
• FCC commissioner says Trump’s Section 230 plan ‘does not work’
• Donald Trump is starting a messy fight with the entire internet
• White House organizes harassment of Twitter employee as Trump threatens company
• Donald Trump signs executive order targeting social media companies
• YouTube is deleting comments with two phrases that insult ...
• YouTube fixes error that deleted comments critical of the ...
• YouTube says China-linked comment deletions weren't ...
• HBO Max is full of potential, but its biggest hurdle remains AT&T’s messy execution
• HBO Max is taking on Netflix with human curation instead of solely relying on algorithms
• HBO Max will use anime from Crunchyroll to compete with Netflix’s growing empire
• All eight Harry Potter movies are streaming on HBO Max much earlier than expected
• Snyder Cut fans demanded AT&T’s attention, and now AT&T is demanding their cash
• Here are the hundreds of classic movies people can stream on HBO Max
• You can no longer subscribe to HBO via Apple TV Channels
• HBO Max’s catalog is full of weird holes

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Slack CEO Stewart Butterfield about remote working, competition with Microsoft, and the way technology changes how we communicate.

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It’s Friday, which means there’s a new episode of The Vergecast to fill you in on all of the news from this week. Join Nilay, Dieter, and a rotation of other editors for everything that you need to know. The three topics covered this week are:

• Microsoft’s Build developer conference
• Elon Musk’s... active month
• Spotify getting exclusive streaming rights to The Joe Rogan Experience podcast

During the first part of the show, Verge senior editor Tom Warren joins Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn to discuss what was announced at Microsoft Build 2020 and what’s next for Windows software.

• Microsoft Lists is a new app designed for Teams, SharePoint, and Outlook
• Microsoft’s new Fluid Office document is Google Docs on steroids
• Microsoft to unify Windows desktop and UWP apps with new Project Reunion
• Microsoft’s new PowerToys Run launcher for Windows 10 is now available to download
• Microsoft Edge is getting a new sidebar search feature and Pinterest integration
• Microsoft is bringing Linux GUI apps to Windows 10
• Microsoft’s new Windows Package Manager is already better than the Windows Store
• Microsoft Surface Earbuds review: comfort at a cost
• Microsoft Surface Go 2 review: don’t push it
• First look: Microsoft’s 13.5-inch Surface Book 3

A little over 35 minutes into the show, Verge deputy editor Elizabeth Lopatto updates us on Elon Musk’s latest endeavors, including his battle with Alameda County over opening his factory, his protests against lockdown orders, and SpaceX’s upcoming Crew Dragon spacecraft launch.

• Elon Musk’s battle to reopen Tesla’s Fremont plant may shape his legacy
• Tesla drops its lawsuit against Alameda County over lockdown order
• Elon Musk is playing Twitter footsie with the fringe right
• Here’s why Elon Musk keeps raising the price of Tesla’s ‘Full Self-Driving’ option
• Elon Musk’s Boring Company finishes digging Las Vegas tunnels
• Meet the first NASA astronauts SpaceX will launch into orbit

Last but not least, senior reporter Ashley Carman stops by to explain the importance of Spotify landing The Joe Rogan Experience podcast as an exclusive.

• Joe Rogan’s podcast is becoming a Spotify exclusive
• It just took $700 million or so to put Spotify on top of the podcasting world
• Google suspended a popular Android podcast app because it catalogs COVID-19 content

There’s a whole lot more discussed in this episode, so listen here or in your preferred podcast player to hear it all.

Other stories discussed in this episode:

• Mark Zuckerberg on taking his massive workforce remote
• Students are failing AP tests because the College Board can’t handle iPhone photos
• Amazon reportedly delays Prime Day until September as it works to restore normal shipping
• Here’s how NYC is using powerful UV light to kill the coronavirus on subways and buses
• The FCC has received hundreds of complaints about carriers’ coronavirus pledge

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and executive editor Dieter Bohn interview Alphabet and Google CEO Sundar Pichai.

Pichai disusses Google’s COVID-19 response: the way the company is handling the pandemic and how he’s working with Tim Cook from Apple on exposure tracking.

They also talked about how he is running one of the biggest companies in the world remotely and how the company is handling employees working from home

Of course they talk about their products and services: the future of the Pixel, competing with companies like Apple and Samsung, and RCS messaging.

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Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn welcome Dan Seifert, Casey Newton, and Julia Alexander to talk about gadget news, Facebook's oversight board, and updates in the streaming world.

Stories discussed this week:

• The doomsday bunker market is thriving amid the coronavirus pandemic
• Amazon asks Congress to pass a law against price gouging during national crisis
• Uber’s response to COVID-19: face masks, selfies, and fewer people in the car
• The lockdown live-streaming numbers are out, and they’re huge
• Elon Musk defies coronavirus order and asks to be arrested 
• Tesla has already started making cars again at its California factory
• Twitter introducing new labels for tweets with misleading COVID-19 information
• Google says that the majority of its employees will work from home until 2021
• The mastermind of Google’s Pixel camera quietly left the company in March
• Google Pixel 4a Performance Review tests the phone's ...
• Android 11's public beta to launch with June 3rd live stream …
• TCL wants to be the next big name in budget phones
• Apple 13-inch MacBook Pro (2020) review: return to baseline
• Dell launches new XPS 17 and redesigned XPS 15 with 16:10 edge-to-edge displays
• Alienware’s Area-51m, m15, and m17 laptops are getting new 10th Gen Intel chips and upgraded GPUs
• Facebook will pay $52 million in settlement with moderators who developed PTSD on the job
• Half of all Facebook moderators may develop mental health issues
• How Facebook is using AI to combat COVID-19 misinformation and detect ‘hateful memes’
• Facebook’s independent oversight board could be overwhelmed by the challenge
• Tenet is now Hollywood’s litmus test for what happens next 
• The Mandalorian’s second season won’t be delayed, says Disney CEO
• AMC Theaters will no longer play Universal movies after Trolls ...
• Alamo Drafthouse launches Alamo on Demand VOD service
• HBO Max will use anime from Crunchyroll to compete with Netflix’s growing empire
• HBO is teaming up with Scener to give subscribers the ability to watch TV together
• WarnerMedia expands free HBO Max deal to HBO subscribers ...
• Quibi will add sharing features as the app struggles to find subscribers
• Jeffrey Katzenberg Blames Pandemic for Quibi’s Rough Start
• Major CBS All Access changes coming this summer as company speeds up relaunch
• Wannabe influencers are being trained to film a believable YouTube apology video

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Alex Stamos, former chief security officer of Facebook and director of the Stanford Internet Observatory talks to Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and editor Casey Newton about his role consulting on security for Zoom, disinformation around the pandemic on social media, and the threat of foreign interference in the 2020 election.

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Stories discussed this week:

• The disappointing truth about antibody testing
• Apple is giving $10 million to COVID-19 testing kit company
• FDA authorizes CRISPR-based test for COVID-19
• Sen. Ed Markey wants the FCC to rethink its broadband deployment plans
• An Amazon warehouse worker in New York has died of COVID-19
• An Amazon VP’s resignation has cast a spotlight on the company’s working conditions
• Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders demand Amazon explain whistleblower firings
• Pittsburgh’s airport is the first in the US to use UV-cleaning robots
• NYC will use powerful ultraviolet lamps to kill the coronavirus on subways and buses
• ESPN to air live NBA 2K League games
• We’ve known how to make healthier buildings for decades
• The spring of iterative hardware updates
• MacBook Pro 13-inch: come for the keyboard, stay for the performance
• The saga of Apple’s bad butterfly MacBook keyboards is finally over
• Microsoft’s new Surface Go 2 has a bigger display and better Intel processor
• Microsoft Surface Book 3: new Nvidia GPUs, up to ... - The Verge
• Watch the first Xbox Series X gameplay footage, showing off ray-tracing and graphics of the next-gen console
• These 11 new games will get free upgrades for the Xbox Series X
• Here are the first 13 games optimized for the Xbox Series X
• Xbox Series X Optimized games promise 4K up to 120fps, ray tracing, and fast load times
• Madden 21 shows that cross-gen gaming on Xbox Series X and PS5 could be messy
• Sonos announces the Arc, its first Dolby Atmos soundbar
• Sonos will launch its new app and big S2 software update on June 8th
• Google unifies all of its messaging and communication apps into a single team

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This week we saw Sonos announce several new products, most significantly the Arc, which is the company’s first soundbar to support Dolby Atmos. Other new devices include the Sonos Five speaker and a refreshed Sub, and all three will only work with Sonos’ new S2 app that launches next month.

Sonos CEO Patrick Spence sat down virtually with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel for The Vergecast to discuss the new products, the S2 update, the backlash that Sonos took from customers over its “Recycle Mode”, and the perception that the company is leaving customers with older Sonos hardware behind.

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Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss quarterly earnings from tech companies, the new CEOs of the three biggest mobile carriers, and how Trolls World Tour may be changing the movie theater business.

Stories discussed this week:

• More than 1 million people in the US have tested positive for COVID-19
• No one knows when the COVID-19 pandemic will end 
• It’s impossible to count everyone with COVID-19
• Elon Musk is dangerously wrong about the novel coronavirus
• Elon Musk says shelter-in-place orders during COVID-19 are ‘fascist’ 
• Americans are surprisingly open to letting their phones be used for coronavirus tracking
• Apple and Google have begun testing their COVID-19 exposure notification API 
• How a team of NASA engineers developed a ventilator for COVID-19 patients in just a month
• Apple’s latest iOS beta makes it easier to unlock an iPhone while wearing a face mask
• Zoom admits it doesn’t have 300 million users, corrects misleading claims
• Google Meet video conferencing is now free for anybody
• Messenger Rooms are Facebook’s answer to Zoom and Houseparty for the pandemic
• Microsoft Teams jumps 70 percent to 75 million daily active users
• Google Duo video calls are about to look a whole lot better
• Facebook usage is surging, but the company warns it may be temporary
• New DisplayPort spec enables 16K video over USB-C
• AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson is stepping down, John Stankey to serve as new CEO
• John Legere abruptly resigns from T-Mobile board of directors ‘to pursue other options’
• Trolls World Tour made nearly $100 million without theaters, but theaters aren’t obsolete
• AMC Theaters will no longer play Universal movies after Trolls World Tour’s on-demand Next year’s Oscars will allow streaming-only movies to qualify, but with heavy restrictionssuccess
• Regal Cinemas warns Universal over Trolls World Tour skipping theaters 
• WarnerMedia expands free HBO Max deal to HBO subscribers who pay through Apple’s services
• Oppo Find X2 Pro review: supercar smartphone
• Intel NUC 9 Extreme review: small size, big potential
• Google Pixel Buds review: second time’s the charm
• DJI’s new Mavic Air 2 has an upgraded camera and much longer flying time

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel interviews co-director of the Institute for Local Self Reliance Stacy Mitchell about her critique of Amazon's power in America's marketplace.

As Amazon becomes more essential infrastructure during the coronavirus pandemic, Nilay and Stacy discuss the increased visibility of Amazon's monopoly power and the way it treats its workers.

Is it possible to regulate a company that people use and love so much?

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Stories discussed this week:

• Google is now listing COVID-19 testing centers in search results
• CEOs sticking with Trump’s ‘open the economy’ group after he tweets call to ‘liberate’ states
• Bill Gates says countries will probably use interviews and databases to track the coronavirus
• Bill Gates is now the leading target for coronavirus conspiracies, says report
• Connecticut suburb deploys ‘pandemic drones’ to try to enforce social distancing
• Boston Dynamics’ Spot robot is helping hospitals remotely treat coronavirus patients
• The jury is still out on Zoom trials
• Marco Polo has been around for years, but it’s blowing up amid the pandemic
• Lo-fi beats to quarantine to are booming on YouTube
• Apps aren’t a reliable way to measure blood oxygen levels
• First at-home COVID-19 testing kit authorized by the FDA
• iPhone SE review 
• Magic Keyboard for the iPad Pro review: the best way to turn an iPad into a laptop
• Logitech Combo Touch review
• Microsoft prepares to launch Surface Book 3 and Surface Go 2
• Apple will reportedly use 12-core 5nm ARM processor in a 2021 Mac
• LG V60 Dual Screen review: V for versatility
• Motorola returns to flagship phones with the Edge Plus - The ...
• Wi-Fi is getting its biggest upgrade in 20 years
• Snapchat use is, predictably, way up with everyone home and staring at screens
• Netflix adds 15 million subscribers as people stream more than ever, but warns about tough road ahead 
• Netflix says Tiger King is as popular as Stranger Things 
• HBO Max will launch on May 27th 
• Fandango just purchased Vudu from Walmart to better compete against Amazon, iTunes
• Sonos launches its own streaming radio service
• Samsung smart TVs are getting an Apple Music app
• Google Duo video calls are about to look a whole lot better

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Part of The Verge's Interface Live series, silicon valley editor Casey Newton talks with Bloomberg reporter Sarah Frier about her new book No Filter, which delves into the history of Instagram and how the app became what it is today.

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Stories discussed this week:

• The Interface Live on Zoom: the hidden history of Instagram, with Bloomberg reporter Sarah Frier
• In a self-isolated world, developers are learning to make games from home
• How GM and Ford switched out pickup trucks for breathing machines
• The search for COVID-19 treatments shows how messy science can be
• How Medium became the best and worst place for coronavirus news
• Unemployment checks are being held up by a coding language almost nobody knows
• How you’ll use Apple and Google’s coronavirus tracking tool
• Apple’s second-gen iPhone SE is here: all the news and details
• Even ‘small’ phones are big now
• The iPhone SE 2’s camera setup is going to lean on Apple’s software
• The new Moto G Stylus and G Power are surprisingly adept cameraphones
• Samsung’s Galaxy S10 Lite will launch in the US on April 17th for $650
• Google’s midrange Pixel 4A could launch soon, and there may not be an XL version
• Apple is tweaking how MacBooks charge to extend battery lifespan
• Apple’s new Magic Keyboard for the iPad Pro goes up for preorder, ships next week
• Apple’s over-ear headphones reportedly have swappable ear pads and headbands
• Here are five things with four wheels that cost less than the Mac Pro’s $700 wheel kit
• Go read this analysis of what the iPad Pro’s LIDAR sensor is capable of
• OnePlus 8 Pro review: big league
• OnePlus 8 review: familiar formula
• OnePlus announces the Bullets Wireless Z headphones
• The $579 RedMagic 5G is the first phone with a 144Hz display
• Verizon is buying BlueJeans, one of Zoom’s videoconferencing rivals
• Google is reportedly building its own processor for Pixels and Chromebooks
• Foxconn’s buildings in Wisconsin are still empty, one year later

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Nilay Patel talks with The Verge's Adi Robertson, Casey Newton, and Nicole Wetsman about Apple and Google announcing a system for tracking the spread of the new coronavirus, allowing users to share data through Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) transmissions and approved apps from health organizations.

Links:

• Apple and Google are building a coronavirus tracking system into iOS and Android
• What is contact tracing?
• Why Bluetooth apps are bad at discovering new cases of COVID-19

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Stories discussed this week:

• Webcams have become impossible to find, and prices are skyrocketing
• Why the 5G coronavirus conspiracy theories don’t make sense
• UK mobile carriers politely ask people to stop burning 5G towers
• No one’s getting new emoji in 2021 because of the pandemic
• Foxconn will produce ventilators at its controversial Wisconsin plant
• Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 review: AMD has rewritten the rules
• Nvidia’s RTX Super GPUs for laptops have arrived — here’s where you’ll see them first
• Asus’ ROG Zephyrus Duo 15 is a gaming laptop with two screens
• MSI announces new laptops with Comet Lake H and new Nvidia GPUs
• Gigabyte’s latest gaming laptop supports Intel’s most powerful 10th Gen Core i9 processor yet
• Razer’s new Blade 15 has powerful specs and an improved keyboard
• Samsung Galaxy Chromebook review
• Asus Chromebook Flip C436 review
• Microsoft reportedly delays Surface Neo beyond 2020
• Can Meg Whitman outwit a pandemic with Quibi?
• Quibi app review: shifting landscape
• Quibi’s shows are fun, familiar, and a little forgettable
• It’s impossible to screenshot a Quibi show, and that’s detrimental to its success
• Disney Plus surpasses 50 million subscribers
• Sony reveals new DualSense controller for the PlayStation 5
• Microsoft’s Xbox Game Bar is getting custom widgets and its own store on Windows
• The OnePlus 8 Pro will have super fast, 30W wireless charging
• Google’s midrange Pixel 4A could launch soon, and there may not be an XL version 
• Google’s Hangouts Meet is now just Google Meet
• Google extends free access to advanced teleconferencing features to September 30th
• Google trademarks 'Google Meet' and 'Google Chat,' support ...

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott about his new book Reprogramming the American Dream: From Rural America to Silicon Valley―Making AI Serve Us All.

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Nilay, Dieter, and Paul talk to Tom Warren about Zoom's privacy and security concerns.

The crew also looks back at the history of Sprint after it finally merged with T-Mobile.

Paul's weekly segment "If I were a rich man" updates the keyboard-in-the-front club.

The show ends with some chat about Apple buying the weather app Dark Sky and allowing in-app rentals on their mobile devices.

Stories discussed in this episode:

• After walkouts, Amazon pledges temperature checks and masks in all warehouses
• Jeff Bezos’ space company is pressuring employees to launch a tourist rocket during the pandemic
• Zoom is leaking some user information because of an issue with how the app groups contacts
• Zoom faces a privacy and security backlash as it surges in ...
• Zoom announces 90-day feature freeze to fix privacy and ...
• Zoom isn't actually end-to-end encrypted 
• Zoom quickly fixes 'malware-like' macOS installer with new ...
• Microsoft aims to win back consumers with new Microsoft 365 subscriptions
• T-Mobile completes merger with Sprint, John Legere steps down as CEO
• Sprint is dead. Long live Sprint
• What’s next for Sprint customers now that the T-Mobile merger has gone through?
• Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 review: AMD has rewritten the rules
• Apple now lets some video streaming apps bypass the App Store cut
• Amazon Prime Video now allows in-app rentals and purchases on the iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV
• Apple acquires popular weather app Dark Sky and will shut down the Android version

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to founder and CEO of The Future Today Institute Amy Webb.

Amy is also a professor at NYU's Stern School of Business and recently came out with a book called The Big Nine: How the Tech Titans and Their Thinking Machines Could Warp Humanity.

During the coronavirus pandemic, Amy and Nilay discuss whether we could have predicted this outbreak, how it can change trends in the future, and how it may even accelerate trends like AI and cloud-based robotics.

They also talk about The Future Today Institute's 2020 Tech Trend Report that was released this month — which is a quantitative look at the big trends that may dominate the future.

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Stories discussed this week:

• Amazon warehouse workers are outraged after a coworker tested positive for COVID-19 and they weren’t notified
• ‘We’re all going to get sick eventually’: Amazon workers are struggling to provide for a nation in quarantine
• It’s time for a regular Amazon daily coronavirus briefing
• Twitter locks account encouraging coronavirus ‘chickenpox parties’
• Zoom is 2020’s hottest yoga studio
• Apple says customers must wait to pick up repairs locked inside its retail stores
• Best Buy moves to curbside pickup only as it sees surge in orders for home office equipment
• Disney Plus and Facebook are also reducing streaming quality in Europe
• Amazon and Apple are reducing streaming quality to lessen broadband strain in Europe
• YouTube joins Netflix in reducing video quality in Europe
• YouTube creators figure out how to film during a pandemic
• Fashion influencers are rethinking their curated aesthetics because they can’t leave their houses
• Fox will broadcast NASCAR’s substitute sim racing ‘season’ on television
• Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and NASCAR canceled races
• How to watch movies with friends online
• Everything you need to know about the coronavirus 
• Subscribe to Home Screen: a newsletter to brighten your inbox
• Apple MacBook Air (2020) review: the best Mac for most people
• Apple iPad Pro review 2020: small spec bump, big camera bump
• Never buy hardware today based on a promise of software tomorrow
• The new MacBook Air and iPad Pro are already discounted on Amazon
• Huawei hopes the P40 Pro can lure you away from Google 
• Living a Google-free life with a Huawei phone
• Dell now lets you control iPhones from its PCs

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Impossible Foods CEO Patrick Brown about Impossible's mission to replace animal-derived meat worldwide and what that would mean for our climate and culture.

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Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss the new iPad Pro and Macbook Air that Apple announced this week, the confusion around Google's coronavirus testing website, and the specs revealed for the PS5.

Stories discussed this week:

• Comcast modestly raises slow internet speeds for low-income users because of coronavirus
• AT&T is suspending broadband data caps for home internet customers due to coronavirus
• AT&T, Comcast, Verizon and others agree not to overcharge customers during coronavirus
• Verily’s coronavirus screening website launches with very limited access
• Trump’s Google testing announcement mixed up several real projects
• The White House still can’t explain what’s going on with the coronavirus screening website
• Coronavirus testing shouldn’t be this complicated
• Apple announces online-only WWDC 2020 due to coronavirus spread
• Apple announces new iPad Pro with trackpad support and a wild keyboard cover
• iPadOS 13.4 adds full mouse and trackpad support
• The iPad Pro is ready to supplant the Mac just as the MacBook Air is great again
• Logitech’s iPad keyboard case with trackpad costs half as much as Apple’s
• The new iPad Pro’s LIDAR sensor is an AR hardware solution in search of software
• The new iPad Pro’s LIDAR scanner can turn a living room into an AR game of Hot Lava
• You can try the iPad’s new trackpad and mouse support right now with Apple’s public beta
• Apple announces new MacBook Air with improved keyboard, faster performance, and more storage
• Moog and Korg are offering synth apps for free while we’re all stuck at home
• PS5 vs. Xbox Series X: a complicated battle of SSD and GPU speeds
• Sony says the PlayStation 5’s SSD will completely change next-gen level design
• The Xbox Series X specs look impressive, but that’s not enough
• Here’s how Xbox Series X removable storage will work

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and Verge policy reporter Makena Kelly talk to FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel about American broadband policy and the advocacy for internet access, broadband competition, and net neutrality.

While the coronavirus pandemic is happening and people are working online at home, now is a perfect time to talk about who has access to the broadband, who doesn't, how much it costs, and how we can get it to more people for less money.

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