The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant

Join me for Part 2 of a conversation with one of my favorite thinkers and writers, Dr. Sarah Lewis. We’re talking about her book, The Rise: Creativity, the Gift of Failure, and the Search for Mastery. I first talked to Sarah on our November 30 episode about the creative process and the difference between mastery and success, but the conversation was so thought-provoking that we had to record a second episode. This time, we talk about the impact of protecting creative time and the power of surrender. We also talk about aesthetic force and the role of imagery in creating change.

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I’m talking with Simon Sinek, visionary thinker, speaker, and author of multiple bestselling books, about his latest book, The Infinite Game. We talk about finding our why, the infinite mindset versus the finite mindset, and five essential and actionable practices of infinite thinkers and infinite leaders.

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Kevin Oakes is the head of the world’s leading HR research firm, the Institute for Corporate Productivity, and we are talking about his new book, Culture Renovation: 18 Leadership Actions to Build an Unshakeable Company. The best playbooks are a combination of reliable research, relatable examples, and actionable strategies. And this is the best playbook I’ve seen when it comes to creating organizational cultures that create competitive advantage, unlock performance, and rehumanize work.

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This episode is a two-hour, deep-dive conversation with Jim Collins on his work and how it shaped who I am as a person, as a leader, and as a researcher. We talk about our values, our shadow values, the power of curiosity, decades of grounded theory research and comparative analysis, and how he explains 30 years of research with one integrated framework called The Map. Jim’s books, including his new one, Beyond Entrepreneurship 2.0, have captured the hearts and minds of his readers and changed how we think about building and leading organizations.

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I talk with President Barack Obama about his life, his work, and his new book, A Promised Land. We dive into the power of leaning into uncertainty and why the rare skill of holding the tension of opposites makes us better leaders, partners, and parents.

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Join me for a conversation with Dr. Sarah Lewis in Part 1 of a two-part series on her book, The Rise: Creativity, the Gift of Failure, and the Search for Mastery. We talk about why the word failure doesn’t quite capture the often-transformative experience of falling and beginning again, the difference between success and mastery, and the power of setting audacious goals that are right outside our grasp.

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Eric Mosley is the CEO and co-founder of Workhuman, and we talk about his new book, Making Work Human: How Human-Centered Companies Are Changing the Future of Work and the World. His transformative work is based on 50 million data points and is leading the charge to dismantle old HR processes and challenge organizations to build new ways to connect the modern workforce. This is data with a heart and research with a goal to rehumanize.

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I talk with Guy Raz, the creator and host of the popular podcasts How I Built This, Wisdom From the Top, and The Rewind. Guy and I dig into the importance of an entrepreneurial mindset, what gets in the way of innovation, and the transformative power of story. I think his new book, How I Built This: The Unexpected Paths to Success from the World’s Most Inspiring Entrepreneurs, should be mandatory reading in business schools — it’s an incredible playbook!

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Aiko Bethea is a friend, colleague, and diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. We discuss empathy, accountability, and the power of listening and believing (including a very real role play). We also dissect the differences between transactional leadership and transformational leadership and why courage is a prerequisite to lasting, meaningful change.

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I’m talking with Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Jon Meacham about what history can teach us about leading through crises and deep political divides. We discuss the importance of humility and candor and how our history reflects the ongoing fight between our better angels and our worst instincts.

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Olympian, activist, and author Abby Wambach and I connect on the new rules of leadership. Her book, WOLFPACK, I kid you not, is on my top five must-read leadership books. I buy this book for everyone. It’s leadership gold.

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In this first solo episode of the Dare to Lead podcast, I talk about my passion for this work, what we’re learning about courageous leadership and skill-building, and the differences between armored and daring leadership.

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Brené’s newest podcast is based on her book, Dare to Lead, which debuted at #1 on the New York Times, and Wall Street Journal bestseller lists, and has become the ultimate courage-building playbook for leaders at every level. Brené writes, “The Dare to Lead podcast will be a mix of solo episodes and conversations with change-catalysts, culture-shifters, and as many troublemakers as possible. Innovating, creating, and building a better, more just world, requires daring leadership in every part of our daily lives – from work to home to community. Together, we’ll have conversations that help us show up, step up, and dare to lead.”

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