That UFO Podcast

** Part 1 of 2 **

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Join me for this fascinating episode of That UFO Podcast as I speak with Dr. Iya Whiteley, an aviation and space psychologist with over 25 years of experience. From her early curiosity about extrasensory perception and martial arts to her groundbreaking work with astronauts and pilots, Dr. Whiteley offers unique insights into human performance in extreme environments.

We discuss her work with the European Space Agency, the psychological challenges of aviation and spaceflight, and how creativity and intuition play vital roles in solving problems beyond Earth. Dr. Whiteley also shares her perspective on consciousness, telepathy, and how children can shape the way we see reality itself.

A truly wide-ranging conversation that connects human potential, intuition, and the mysteries of the cosmos.
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Join Andy in the latest episode of 'That UFO Podcast' as he dives into a comprehensive UFO news update. This episode primarily discusses the recent revelations from whistleblower Dylan Borland, who has appeared on the 'Weaponized' podcast with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp. 

Andy covers highlights from Borland's testimony, including his experiences with UFOs, classified programs, and the challenges whistleblowers face. 
The podcast also touches on other UFO-related news, including insights from scientist Jim Shell and updates on the Schumer-Rounds UAP Disclosure Act. 


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Weaponized https://www.youtube.com/ ⁨@JeremyCorbell⁩  

Jim Shell https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1ntzndx/air_force_space_command_whistleblower_jim_shell/#lightbox_cuts 

Nolan interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s77bMF9zczM&t=8s

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New Paradigm Institute https://newparadigminstitute.org/

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Join me for a fascinating conversation with Bryce Zabel — award-winning producer, creator of Dark Skies, and co-author of A.D. After Disclosure. We explore his remarkable career in Hollywood and his deep involvement in UFO research, disclosure, and government transparency.

In this episode, Bryce shares his perspective on the latest UFO hearings in Congress, the controversial Age of Disclosure documentary, and what the future might hold for national security and UFO disclosure. He also gives updates on his current projects and offers intriguing insights into the JFK assassination files and their possible UFO connections. He is also candid about his time on Need to Know with Ross Coulthart coming to an end, and shares thoughts on Richard Dolan taking over the reins as co-host.

Packed with unique perspectives, behind-the-scenes Hollywood stories, and thought-provoking discussion on extraterrestrial life, UFO sightings, and the Disclosure movement, this is an episode you won’t want to miss.

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In this episode I speak with Brazilian author and researcher Thiago Ticchetti about Brazil’s extraordinary history of UFO encounters. From early influences and military secrets to the infamous Colares Incident of 1977, Thiago reveals why Brazil is home to some of the most aggressive and well-documented UFO cases in the world. They also explore lost evidence, comparisons with global sightings, and the country’s recent congressional hearings pushing for greater disclosure.

Thiago’s journey into ufology and early influences
How Brazil’s military handled UFO secrets
Why South America sees UFOs differently
Shocking cases of UFO aggression in Brazil
The infamous Colares Incident of 1977
Evidence, military cover-ups, and missing footage
How Brazil’s cases compare to global encounters
Recent congressional hearings and the push for disclosure
Thiago’s vision for the future of UFO research

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In this episode I welcome back Daniel Sheehan, president of the New Paradigm Institute, to discuss recent UAP hearings, whistleblower protections, and the push for disclosure. They cover key figures like David Grusch, tensions between Congress and the executive branch, and the implications of newly shown UAP videos for the wider UFO community.

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Andy is joined by lawyer, court interpreter, translator, and UFO researcher Samuel Chong. Samuel shares his intriguing journey from Beijing to the United States and his lifelong interest in the paranormal, UFOs, and spirituality. The conversation delves into the cultural differences in UFO discussions between China and the West, notable Chinese UFO incidents, and Samuel’s perspective on the famous book 'Thiaoouba Prophecy' by Michel Desmarquet. Samuel explains his deep dive into the book's claims, covering abductions, ancient civilizations, and spiritual teachings.


Listener Questions: UFOs and Spirituality
A grassroots awakening in China
Common Shapes of UFOs in China
Chinese Government and UFO Disclosure
Historical and Cultural Perspectives on UFOs in China

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Andy is joined by lawyer, court interpreter, translator, and UFO researcher Samuel Chong. Samuel shares his intriguing journey from Beijing to the United States and his lifelong interest in the paranormal, UFOs, and spirituality. The conversation delves into the cultural differences in UFO discussions between China and the West, notable Chinese UFO incidents, and Samuel’s perspective on the famous book 'Thiaoouba Prophecy' by Michel Desmarquet. Samuel explains his deep dive into the book's claims, covering abductions, ancient civilizations, and spiritual teachings.

Samuel Chong's Background and Interest in UFOs
UFO Culture and Censorship in China
Notable UFO Cases in China
The Thiaoouba Prophecy and Its Impact
Details of Michel Desmarquet's Abduction
Analyzing the Credibility of the Thiaoouba Prophecy
Spiritual Insights and Reincarnation
Publishing Michel's Book in China
Revelations About the Great Pyramid

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In a special bonus update, Andy welcomes back Rony Vernet, founder of UAP Brazil, to discuss the recent UFO hearings held in Brazil. They delve into the political context, the lack of military and official presence at the hearings, and the challenges faced by UFO researchers in Brazil. Rony shares insights about his ongoing research, the influence of political instability, and the need for greater public awareness and military cooperation. Tune in for an in-depth look at the state of UFO investigations in Brazil and the future steps needed to advance the discussion.

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In this latest episode of That UFO Podcast, Andy provides a comprehensive UFO news update for mid-September 2025. Including the release of Andy's new book, Atlas of UFOs, now available worldwide, and an overview of the latest developments in the UFO community.

Andy reviews revelations from the Weaponized Podcast by Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, covering recent hearings and testimonies from witnesses and whistleblower Matthew Brown. He also explores the recent UFO hearings in Brazil, their historical context, and the significance of the country’s longstanding investigations into UFO phenomena.

The episode further discusses a controversial viral video from Panama, Matthew McConaughey’s surprising comments on UFOs during his appearance on the Joe Rogan Podcast, and listener feedback on recent events. 


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Join Andy as he interviews UFO researcher and historian David Marler, exploring a plethora of fascinating topics including historical UFO sightings, government involvement, and the incredible data housed in UFO archives. Delve into discussions on triangular UFOs, radar visual reports, and the significance of credible witnesses. Discover exclusive insights on legendary cases and the latest scientific and academic endeavors in the UFO field. Don't miss this deep dive into the unexplained with one of the leading experts in UFO research.

Early UFO Encounters
Chasing Disclosure
Inside the UFO Hearings
Why Triangles Matter
Unlocking the Archives
UFO Cases You Should Know
Final Takeaways
Bonus Content for paid subscribers at the end!

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Join us in this episode as we take a deep dive into a viral video shared during a recent UAP hearing. Andy welcomes an anonymous guest, a former ammunition technician from the British Army, who shares his expertise on the explosive systems and his analysis of the video. The discussion goes through a detailed breakdown of what might actually be depicted, including the possibility of a Hellfire missile test. Despite wanting to believe in the extraordinary, our guest provides a compelling explanation that might debunk the exciting initial interpretations. Also, hear a personal UFO experience that adds a poignant touch to the conversation.

Introduction and Context
Expert Background and Credentials
Initial Reactions to the Video
Detailed Analysis of the Video
Missile Strike Explanation
Personal UFO Experience
Final Thoughts and Conclusion

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Only 24 hours after the historic UFO hearings in Washington D.C., we dive into the key moments, testimonies, and controversies that emerged.

We cover the witness accounts of Dylan Borland, Chief Alexandro Wiggins, and George Knapp, analyzing what their statements could mean for the broader disclosure conversation. We also look at newly analyzed video footage presented around the hearings, and how it’s shaping public and congressional perception.

Beyond the witness table, we explore the bigger themes: the protections and risks for whistleblowers, the debate around overclassification, transparency in government, and the challenges of navigating controversial figures in the UFO discussion. We also reflect on congressional questioning, political motivations, and what the future may hold for disclosure efforts.


Immediate reactions to the hearing and its significance
Witness testimonies and detailed statements
Whistleblower protections, risks, and government response
Public perception of key figures and media narratives
Transparency, overclassification, and gatekeepers
The role of newly analyzed video footage
Reactions from social media and the disclosure community
Final thoughts on what these hearings mean going forward

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This is my immediate reactions and initial thoughts on todays UAP hearings. Summarising the key statements from witnesses, including former Air Force and Navy personnel, and discussing the new UAP footage displayed during the hearing. 

Immediate Reactions
Setting the Scene: Low Expectations
Key Statements and Witnesses
The testimony
5th Witness Surprise Appearance
Intriguing New Video Evidence


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Its the week of the UAP Hearings in Congress, so here is your last update before the big day on the 9th September (link to watch below)

Book Launch Announcement
Upcoming Historic Hearings
Witnesses and Their Backgrounds
Legal Implications of Lying to Congress
Danny Sheen and Whistleblower Protections
Garry Nolan on Joe Rogan
New Paradigm Institute Film
Jake Barber's Interview on Consciousness
Matthew Brown's Substack Series
UFO Leadership Discussion
Upcoming Events and Final Thoughts

Book event -  https://www.thomastosh.com/store/p/atlasufosticket

Watch the UAP Hearings - http://youtube.com/live/LBKRr5OvF6E?si=ofq7Q-Q1Ackc7HFg

Matthew Brown substack - 
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In this deep-dive episode, we explore the fast-moving world of UFO/UAP disclosure and the forces shaping it. From the UAP Disclosure Act and upcoming congressional hearings to the politicization of science and the role of mainstream media, we break down how legislation, testimony, and public pressure are converging on one of history’s most profound issues.

We cover the challenges faced by witnesses, the recognition long overdue for UFO researchers, and the startling connections between nuclear shutdowns and UAPs. Listener questions and activist perspectives add fresh insight into what disclosure could mean for society, while speculation about non-human intelligence and global efforts point to a future where the truth can no longer be ignored.

If you want to understand where the movement stands today—and where it might go next—this is a must-listen.

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In this episode, Andy interviews Steve Bassett, Executive Director of the Paradigm Research Group, to discuss breaking news with the witness list finally available.

UAP Hearing: Witness List & Initial Reactions
Venue Significance: Capitol Visitor Center
Who Are the Witnesses?
George Knapp’s Role & Testimony
Firsthand vs. Secondhand Testimony
The Truth Embargo: History & Impact
The UAP Disclosure Act & Political Context
Media, Social Media, and Public Perception
The Role of Activism & Legacy
Global Disclosure: International Perspectives

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**Part 2 of 2**

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With major UFO hearings set for September 9th, 2025 in the US — where military whistleblowers are expected to come forward with their experiences — now’s the perfect time to revisit the reactions to the first historic hearings (2022–2024).

In this 2-part series, I’m joined by guests including Jeremy Corbell, Alex Dietrich, Tim McMillan, Dan Zetterstrom, Graeme Rendall, and Klaus, sharing their insights and reactions to these landmark events.

Stay tuned for upcoming episodes this month previewing the hearings, reporting on the testimony, and breaking down the fallout.

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In this 2-part series, I’m joined by guests including Jeremy Corbell, Alex Dietrich, Tim McMillan, Dan Zetterstrom, Graeme Rendall, and Klaus, sharing their insights and reactions to these landmark events.

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A packed UFO news update: UAP hearing preview, Matthew Brown’s Immaculate Constellation, Skywatcher developments, the Tic-Tac manual leak, credibility questions, and more.

UAP hearing preview (September 9th)

Matthew Brown, Immaculate Constellation

Skywatcher developments

The 'Tic-Tac manual' leak

Credibility questions across the UFO field

And much more...


Stay tuned for insights, listener questions, and updates from across the UFO world.


Matthew Brown Substack - https://open.substack.com/pub/sunofabramelin/p/my-journey-to-become-a-ufo-whistleblower?r=tiifj&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

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We continue our discussion into your listener questions as Pavel, from the Psicoactivo podcast is with me to answer your questions.


Civilian Researchers and Technology

The Role of the Catholic Church and Secretive Organizations

Fear Mongering and Scientific Investigations


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With another set of UFO hearings on the horizon for early September, there are a lot of moving parts as first hand witnesses are said to be ready to testify , Skywatcher goes through some potentially major changes & members of Congress argue online with big UFO names. To discuss this and a whole lot more I am enjoyed by Pavel Ibarra, from the Psicoactivo Podcast


Current State of UFO Hearings
Firsthand Witnesses and Their Impact
Potential Witnesses and Their Credibility
Skywatcher and Government Involvement
New Whistleblower and His Claims


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In this episode Will Brown continues to discuss the Nazca mummies and answer your questions!


Listener questions and final reflections

Questions of authenticity, transparency, and peer review

Ancient civilizations, elongated skulls, and cultural practices

UFO sightings, artifacts, and potential hoaxes

Challenges in academic and online discourse


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In this episode I take another look at the ongoing Nazca Mummies saga with researcher, author, and filmmaker Will Brown. Will shares his firsthand experiences and insights on the controversial Nazca mummies, weaving together tales of elongated skulls, grave robbers, and potential ancient rituals. But, is there a Non-Human explanation?

Meet researcher and filmmaker Will Brown
The Nazca Mummies: discovery, examination, and controversies
Scientific analysis, anomalies, and red flags
Historical context, petroglyphs, and the Nazca Lines
David Grusch’s influence and credibility in the UFO conversation
Political turmoil, speculation, and community debates
Scientific investigations and future prospects


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In this episode, Andy discusses the latest UFO stories including comments from Representative Anna Paulina Luna on the Joe Rogan Podcast, intriguing online exchanges between Luna and Lue Elizondo, and the hot topic of a potential alien object nearing Earth. Also included are updates on Ross Coulthart leaving 'Need to Know', the relevance of the Nazca mummies, and listener questions. 


Luna on Joe Rogan
Key Moments and Claims from the Interview
Listener Reactions and Comments to appearance
Elizondo and Luna online Exchange
Ross Coulthart's Departure from 'Need to Know'
Avi Loeb and the Interstellar Object
Listener Questions and UFO Discussions
Final Thoughts and Announcements

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Retired F-16 pilot Chris Lehto returns to discuss the state of UFO disclosure, the role of whistleblowers, and the growing frustration within the UFO community. We explore the impact of Cmdr. Fravor’s testimony, the decentralization of UFO research, media narratives, and how Chris’s military background shapes his view of the phenomenon.

Skywatcher and UFO Phenomenon
The Impact of Non-Human Intelligence Disclosure
The Role of Governments in Disclosure
Historical Analogies and Secrecy
Pilot Reports and UAP Stigma
The State of UAP Journalism
Facing Ontological Shock
Hypotheses on the Phenomenon and the Universe
Pyramid Discoveries and Advanced Technologies
Final Thoughts


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Retired F-16 pilot Chris Lehto returns to discuss the state of UFO disclosure, the role of whistleblowers, and the growing frustration within the UFO community. We explore the impact of Cmdr. Fravor’s testimony, the decentralization of UFO research, media narratives, and how Chris’s military background shapes his view of the phenomenon.

Why disclosure feels stuck — and who might be stalling it
Chris Lehto's take on Cmdr. Fravor's testimony
The mental toll of following the UFO topic closely
Are whistleblowers being silenced or ignored?
What decentralised UFO research gets right — and wrong
How media narratives shape public perception of the phenomenon
Is the stigma around pilots reporting UAPs finally shifting?
What disclosure could actually look like — and what it might mean
Chris’s thoughts on ancient tech, pyramids, and the universe itself

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In this episode, returning guest Karen Alexander, a Crop Circle researcher of over 30 years joins me to look at this years new Circles & get into a bit of the history of the subject:

Karen Alexander’s Background in Crop Circles
What Are Crop Circles Really?
Scientific Investigations & Surprising Findings
Are Crop Circles a Message or a Mystery?
Guidelines for Visiting Crop Circles
Can AI Decode Crop Circle Patterns?
Doug & Dave: Debunkers or Distraction?
Crop Circles, Geometry & Human Consciousness
The Truth Behind the Crabwood Alien Circle
Are Crop Circles Vanishing — and Why?

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In this episode, I sit down with James Hodgkins, one of Skywatchers' psionic assets. We dive deep into the topics of consciousness, psionic phenomena, UFOs, and much more. James shares his personal experiences and thoughts on these subjects as well as his involvement with Sky Watcher.

Whistleblowers and Public Disclosure
Managing UFO Information Like a PR Campaign
David Grusch's Impact and Media Coverage
Challenges and Dangers for Whistleblowers
Citizen Disclosure and Skywatcher's Role
Dr. Beatriz Villaroel and Transient Objects
Listener Questions: Craft, Abilities, and Ethics
Personal Experiences and Family Impact
Ethical Conflicts and Skywatcher's Mission

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In this episode, I sit down with James Hodgkins, one of Skywatchers' psionic assets. We dive deep into the topics of consciousness, psionic phenomena, UFOs, and much more. James shares his personal experiences and thoughts on these subjects as well as his involvement with Sky Watcher.

👇 Timestamps:
00:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction
01:00:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction
01:10 Early Psi Experiences & Family UFO Encounters
03:10 Major Contact at 19 & Joining Skywatcher
06:40 Consciousness, Folklore & the Phenomena
15:09 Skywatcher's Journey, Challenges & Transparency
36:47 Psionic Abilities, Inner Voices & Daily Life
48:00 The Nature of UAPs: Craft, Orbs & Thought Forms
01:05:33 Intent, Psychic Phenomena & Manifestation
End of Part 1

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In this fascinating deep dive, I’m joined by Ivan Hannel — best known as the lawyer representing Luis “Lue” Elizondo, former head of AATIP — for a nearly two-hour conversation that explores the legal, political, and human sides of UFO disclosure.

We cover everything from the New York Times article that changed the game, to Ivan’s professional relationship with Elizondo, legal insights into congressional briefings, government secrecy, and… a tease of a potential new whistleblower coming forward.

Ivan's Journey: From Law to UFOs
Meeting Lue Elizondo
The Controversial Congressional Briefing
Mistakes in public
Suspicion Around UAP Disclosure Act
Concerns Over Controlled Disclosure
Legal Perspectives on UFO Evidence
Government Accountability and Ufology

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Another busy week in UFO world, another UFO news round up with a few really interesting moments from Weaponized with Corbell & Knapp, Diana Pasulka smashes an interview out the park &. new evidence coming soon?


Corbell drops locations of UFO interest!
Dustin Slaughter bringing new evidence forward
Diana Pasulka interview with NYT
AARO Tim Phillips brought 'Skeptics' into be briefed
New Under Sec Air Force UFO experiences
Upcoming guests

Tim Phillips - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsKAX6IFORU

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Carrying on the Breakdown, Dan stayed on with me to answer your questions on some of the news happening, including:

New 'Buga'/'Yumbo' Sphere Controversy
Shades of Disclosure
Community Dynamics and Disinformation
Tic-Tac UFOs and Breakaway Civilizations
Human Technology vs. Alien Craft
Consciousness and Reality
Disclosure and Government Secrecy
Final Thoughts


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There is so much going on in the UFO/UAP world right now. I'm joined by Dan to break down a whole load of news, including:

Delay to hearings

Potential witnesses for upcoming hearings

Garry Nolan's insights on UFOs and scientific skepticism

Electromagnetic signals and UAPs

Historical context and literature

DMT research and other dimensions

Tic-Tac UFOs and breakaway civilizations

Disclosure and government secrecy

Links mentioned on the show:

📝 UAP Petition: https://uapda.org/petition
🎥 James Fox docs: YouTube link
🎙️ Nolan on Peterson: YouTube link
🛸 MUFON Symposium: https://mufonsymposium.com/

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Here is your latest news round-up from the last few days in the world of UFOs:

Ross Coulthart clarifies comments

Hearings delayed until September

Pilots of 'crash retrieval vehicles' appearing?

NewsNation recap

Multiple reports drop on UFO sightings

NewsNation recap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z4a_GK-dkE

Canadian report:
https://science.gc.ca/site/science/en/office-chief-science-advisor/sky-canada-project/management-public-reporting-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-canada#appendix-b

NUFORC report:
https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/2000-ufo-sightings-first-half-2025/

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We continue to look at the news stories that have dominated the headlines in recent weeks but also the first half of 2025, including:


Age of Disclosure: Missed Opportunities?
Skywatcher: Promises and Skepticism
Whistleblowers and Public Perception
AARO Leadership and Future
Observatory's Sky Scans
UFO Data and Public Perception
UK UAP Hearings and Legislation
Closing Thoughts


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A bonus episode for you this weekend to look back at my first roundtable conversation from August 2020, but there's a big reason this one is worth checking out. These are three witnesses to the Tic Tac event of November 2004, all from differing expertise and vantage points. Very much worth diving into given the huge talking points Ross Coulthart, Eric Burlison & others have brought up around the origins of the Tic Tac craft. 


Recounting the 2004 Nimitz Encounter  
Personal Experiences and Reactions  
New Revelations and Classified Information  
Speculations on the Origin of UAPs  
Impact on Military and Public Perception  
Certainty of Radar and Visual Sightings  
Radar Capabilities and Debunking Theories  
Underwater Craft 
Data Collection and Chain of Custody  
Future of UAP Disclosure  


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* Part 1 of 2 *
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I am joined by Dan to discuss a range of breaking UFO news, including Ross Coulthart's explosive claim about Tic-Tac technology being developed by Lockheed Martin, updates on the Sky Watcher project, and the latest whistleblowers. We also delve into the implications of recent UFO sightings and tech, a new observatory's potential astronomical revelations, and the debated impact of government legislation on UAP disclosure.

The Tic-Tac Incident
Ross Coulthart's Bold Claims
Debating the Tic-Tac Technology
The Nimitz Encounter Breakdown
Lockheed Martin and Advanced Tech
Community Reactions and Speculations
The Drone Debate
MUFON material analysis coming

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With so much news in the last few days, here is a round-up of whats going on right now with the UFO topic, including:

Ross Coulthart told the Tic-Tac was Lockheed Martin technology
The 2024/25 Drone flap was Chinese/US 
Baltic Sea Anomaly expedition
MUFON promise results of exotic material


Check out Graeme's channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq4XkDeGQCI&list=PLTtqtD1VMqymtHxwLgj_JZNH78gfQI9Bu

Check out Coulthart & Zabel NTK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmxyApOGPCA&t=3212s


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On this show I discuss the new footage dropped by Corbell & Knapp obtained by journalist Dustin Slaughter, as well as:

World UFO Day
Weaponized footage discussion
Coulthart sits down with Sen.Rounds
Listener Call


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Congressman Eric Burlison has made headlines with some big statements on various interviews over the last week, including discussing his views on the Nazca mummies, Buga Sphere, Nordics, Greys, Reptilians and more. Nathan joins me to discuss his statements & other news items.


Eric Burlison’s Interview and UFO Discussions
The Buga Sphere
Skepticism and Scientific Analysis
David Grusch and the Nazca Mummies
Navigating the UFO Community
Whistleblowers and Government Transparency
Trump's UFO Briefing and Alien Hybrids
Nordics, Greys, and Reptilians
Navigating the Minefield of UFO Politics
Skepticism and Credibility in UFO Discourse
Burlison's Bold Statements
Skinwalker Ranch's Space Mission
Listener Questions and Speculations

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Pavel Ibarra, host of the Psicoactivo podcast, is back with me to finish our Breakdown of the news which includes:

Current state of Disclosure
Buga Sphere being a hoax?
UFO Narrative wars
Wall Street Journal hit-piece
Mainstream cover-up?
Challenges in UFO Disclosure


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I am joined for this Breakdown by first time guest, Pavel Ibarra, host of the Psicoactivo podcast which is very much worth checking out over on youtube, link below, we discussed a lot of news, including:


Tim Phillips' Interviews and Reactions
Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp's UFO Footage
The Buga Sphere Controversy
Underground Bases and Military Involvement
New Whistleblowers coming forward soon?
Comparing Whistleblowers: Grush and Brown
James Fox's Archival Project
Impact of Alien-Themed Media
Listener Questions
Challenges in UFO Disclosure
Closing Thoughts and Future Content

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I am joined by Superintendent of Skinwalker Ranch, Thomas Winterton to talk about the new season, including:


Thomas Winterton's Journey to Skinwalker Ranch
The Evolution of Investigations at Skinwalker Ranch
Challenges and Discoveries in Drilling the Mesa
The Mysterious Triangle and LIDAR Discoveries
Personal Experiences and Historical Accounts
Hypotheses and Extraterrestrial Possibilities
Compelling Evidence and Scientific Investigations
Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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I am joined by Steve Bassett to carry on our conversation, which includes:

Listener Questions
The Theory of Genetic Connection with NHIs
The Importance of Disclosure and Open Contact
AI and Its Potential Role in Disclosure
The Spiritual and Esoteric Aspects of the phenomenon
Final Thoughts and Call to Action


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https://www.hollywooddisclosurealliance.org/
https://paradigmresearchgroup.org/


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UFO Disclosure advocate & Executive Director of the Paradigm Research Group, Steve Bassett joins me to discuss: 

Welcome and Introduction
The State of UFO Disclosure
Political Challenges and Progress
Recent Developments and Witnesses
Controversial Wall Street Journal Article
The Bigger Picture and Future Outlook
The Urgency of Disclosure
Speculations on Wall Street Journal's second part
The Role of Journalism in Democracy


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https://paradigmresearchgroup.org/

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**There is some mild background noise in the first 14 mins which ive cleaned up that goes away, apologies folks**

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I am joined by former Deputy Director of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) Timothy Phillips, to discuss:

Tims Career
Assignment to AARO and Initial Impressions
AARO Organizational Structure and Mission
Challenges in UAP Investigations
Working with Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick
Challenges in Proving or Disproving UAP Claims
Investigating Claims and Disinformation
Whistleblowers and Congressional Inquiries
Black Triangles and National Security
Dimensionality and the Supernatural
Future of AARO and Public Reporting
Listener Questions

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I am joined by tech entrepreneur, physicist & experiencer, Deep Prasad to discuss:

What Deep thinks is actually going on with UFOs
The Continuous Spectrum of Interdimensional Beings
The Rise of Private Space Companies
The Role of NHI in Disclosure
UFOs & Open Source Data
Advancements in Anti-Gravity Research
The Implications of AI and Model Collapse
The Future Impact of AI on Society
Listener Questions on AI
Quantum Computing and Higher Dimensions
Conclusion and Future Projects


Check out Deeps work:

https://x.com/Deepneuron
https://www.sf-uap.com/
https://www.starvasa.space/our-origins


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I am joined by tech entrepreneur, physicist & experiencer, Deep Prasad to discuss:

00:00 Intro / Book promotion https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs
01:14 His Background and Achievements
03:17 Involvement in the UFO Community
04:18 AI and Material Science Innovations
10:37 The World's First UFO Hackathon
15:21 Hackathon Mission Tracks and Challenges
30:51 Future of UFO Detection and Public Involvement


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https://www.sf-uap.com/
https://www.starvasa.space/our-origins

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I am joined by YOU the listener for another fascinating listener ramble where we cover:

Matthew Brown's cryptic X post
Govt operators writing secrets in books
Shadow government
and much more

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