PABLO TORRE FINDS OUT

Why do so many people still think the 100-point game is fake news? We crate-dig with author Gary Pomerantz, from a rare-book library... to a basement closet... to a vault in Hershey, Pennsylvania — and end up with a poem from the last Warrior standing.

(This episode originally aired February 28, 2025.)

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What did FaceTime cheating with RFK Jr. feel like? What does Olivia Nuzzi's MySpace song sound like? And what does Pablo have in common with Jeffrey Epstein? Plus: Bob Woodward's spoken-word rap album... and several cans of worms.

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She notoriously parlayed a tie for fifth into a star turn on Fox News. But who's funneling money into the radicalization of Riley Gaines? And what's her dark past lurking beneath the surface? In partnership with PTFO, Madison Pauly from The Center for Investigative Reporting spent six months wading through the trans-athlete debate — then washed up with former teammates, NBA owners, merch... and a Supreme Court case that could change everything.

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Why did one of the greatest golfers ever turn on his own legacy to become a culture warrior with a T-rex skull? His definitive chronicler, Alan Shipnuck, re-visits the many scandals of "a master manipulator" — and uncovers a pattern among Trump-era men who just want the juice.

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He's played with Aretha, Steely Dan and thousands more. He's influenced Zeppelin, hip-hop and "MMMBop." He is your favorite musician's favorite musician — a role player with too many rings to count who's been helping you dance for decades. So it's about time you slowed down to appreciate legendary drummer Bernard "Pretty" Purdie. Because at 83 years young, he's rock-steady as ever, with wisdom to burn on the meaning of perfection, consistency and how to keep it smooth in your own valley.

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As The Great Football Blackout of 2025 reaches the cliff's edge, John Skipper and David Samson take Pablo inside Disney's call before the earnings call: Does Silicon Valley have a higher tolerance for pain than Mickey Mouse? Does the Worldwide Leader have more power than Fox News? And will mollifying Donald Trump get you anywhere? Plus: MFN status, the "I Don't Wanna Get Screwed" clause, debating Romance languages... and John Mamdani.

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Since when did we become so constantly confronted by p*rn? And why is that making you so uncomfortable? Plus: goon fuel, goon caps, goon caves, gooning fraud, hentai wankbattlers and miscegenating Starburst.

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Why has the famous golfer (and notorious gambler) been hooking right and tweeting incessantly about insider trading? Hunterbrook Media's Sam Koppelman got inside a group chat even more bro'd-out than the defense secretary's Signal messages — and uncovered audio about trading 18 holes with a cabinet secretary to pump up a gas company. His investigation's findings are... huge.

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He made nine figures by finding patterns in basketball, from the skycap counter of the Winnipeg airport to high-stakes athlete encounters in Vegas. Then Bob Voulgaris brought his dark-alley secrets to Mark Cuban's front office. Now, as scandal infects the integrity of the game, he sees a path forward — including, but not limited to, maybe turning Victor Wembanyama into The Bachelor.

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Where is the athlete resistance to Trump? Why do owners sportswash themselves? How did trans athletes get weaponized? And what's the difference between cable news and Pardon The Interruption? Pablo sits down with Professor James Waller at the University of Connecticut's Dodd Center for Human Rights, to find a throughline about the value of sport circa 2025, despite all its sins.

Previously on PTFO:

• The Fake Sports Scandal Taking Over Fox News
• How Sam Bankman-Fried Sportswashed an $8 Billion Crypto Fraud, Starring Tom Brady and Steph Curry

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What does real-life witch Lexa Roséan think of Etsy witches in the MLB playoffs? Is there a recipe to re-kill Bin Laden and/or save humanity from A.I.? And how easy it to f*ck up a spell? Plus: witch wars, curse battles, the origin of "abracadabra," the butt fumble of spells... and none of that Harry Potter sh*t. Also: Cheeseburger.

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Basketball's high-stakes nightmare is front-page news. But Pablo has been decoding thousands of pages of court documents, while talking to two dozen sources... and keeping up with Kash Patel, to unmask the would-be kingpin hiding in plain sight. Amin Elhassan joins for a swipe through the jet-setting, sports-betting, tequila-chugging life of a man who might actually connect the mafia to the NBA.

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Why would millionaires risk it all for a bet? How do you cheer up a player facing down the feds? Will the WNBA's civil war ever end? And who really killed the Montreal Expos? John Skipper and David Samson reunite at a knock-down, drag-out moment for sports business. Plus: Operation Relocation, J.J. Putz and T-shirt cannon fever.

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Carolina football GM Mike Lombardi likes to talk about himself as a three-time Super Bowl champion operating an NFL team in college. But not all Super Bowl rings are created equal. Correspondent (and UNC dad) David Fleming joins Pablo to fact-check the $1.5 million man, for a roadmap to how the Belichick administration became such a (taxpayer-funded) disaster.

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Domonique joked about his forgetfulness for years, and Pablo gas-bagged about the ethical dilemma — and existential crisis — of concussions in the NFL. But with football more popular than ever, fewer people seem to give a sh*t about CTE — and who's watching the watchers. So it's about time for an honest conversation about fear, family, aging, masculinity, hidden science and what it's like inside the huddle, when there's a horror movie inside your brain.

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How did Adam Silver end up in bed with a paper magnate? Why did a 77-point airing of grievances about A-Rod help to free Anthony Edwards? And can this all be solved with an Aspiration credit card? Plus: Moldovan bots, embroidered hats, Sporcle quizzes and one very confusing encounter at the Mall of America.

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UNC football has devolved into the biggest hot mess in college sports. Can we interest you in a hot mic? Because in order to understand the GOAT coach's inner circle in Chapel Hill, you really need to open the gift we've brought for Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne.

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The greatest power couple in sports returns for a blue-cardigan'd victory lap full of wisdom, statues, Suegronis, Stud Budz... and real talk on what the WNBA's nuclear option could mean for the future of work.

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After tweeting 17,053 words in defense of his fellow billionaire NBA owner, the most polarizing member of Team Ballmer is back — in-studio — to confront all of Pablo's most burning questions: Why was Kawhi Leonard's deal kept so secret? When did the Clippers really know? Just how screwed was Aspiration? And what the hell do Cuban's Mavericks and the Knicks' Jalen Brunson have to do with this scandal?

• Part I: The Richest Owner in Sports, the Silent Superstar and the Rotten Apple Tree

• Part II: Team Ballmer vs. Team Sh*tting Bricks — an Argument with Mark Cuban

• Part III: The Mystery Investor, the No-Show Payday and the "Smoking Gun"

• Part IV: Steve Ballmer, the Other Cuban and the $118 Million Infusion

• Part V: Steve Ballmer's "Inconceivable" Donation, the $20 Million Guarantee and a Head on a Spike

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In a belated 40th birthday link-up, our favorite geriatric millennial stops by to restore your faith in humanity with truck content from her toddler bro, the definition of a sports parent, the hardest part about growing up right now and the best thing about Bad Bunny playing the only big room left in America. Plus: encountering a loose Lucky Charm, borrowing Neighbor Jim's shrink ray, "Tickle Monster (Pablo's Version)," ripping off Jim Carrey... and rippin' some salt.

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How do you know when to hang it up? Or do you keep working, even if you're sick or if your loved ones are dying? Do you need to be laughing at yourself, while the audience laughs at you? And is sports media really a young man's game? Plus: the state of the organic a$$hole, the Gisele of hand-modeling... and the Braveheartian climax of a very threatening lullaby.

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For nearly three decades, he's crafted cinematic narratives on public radio that are unapologetically performative and decidedly high-brow. But Ira Glass, in real life, is not some vegetarian sandwich. Pablo seeks kindred wisdom on activating a third ear, basking in the flow of Lin-Manuel Miranda, covering Donald Trump, growing jealous of The Daily, fact-checking Joe Rogan and opting out of being in touch... with The Rizzler.

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Media Day will force Kawhi Leonard to respond to scandal, but not before Pablo returns with new scoops and urgent questions: Just how easy was the "no-show" payday? Did Uncle Dennis really act alone? And why did the richest owner in sports keep funding a fraudster, even as the feds closed in? Mr. Amin Elhassan joins as an increasingly sweaty one-man cast of experts.

• Part IV: Steve Ballmer, the Other Cuban and the $118 Million Infusion

• Part III: The Mystery Investor, the No-Show Payday and the "Smoking Gun"

• Part II: Team Ballmer vs. Team Sh*tting Bricks — an Argument with Mark Cuban

• Part I: The Richest Owner in Sports, the Silent Superstar and the Rotten Apple Tree

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Socrates called it a sensation of both pleasure and pain. But the tickle is the one legal move that the UFC won't talk about — especially after the tickle went viral. Correspondent David Fleming giggles his way from a rat-titilating neuroscientist in Germany to a cage-side gaggle at a wedding ballroom in Rochester, exploring the science of laughter, the art of war and a truly genius alternative to the purple nurple.

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When did Hollywood get so good at cucking? Can hot guys be character actors? Who's your work wife? Would you drink a bucket of Wegovy? And is Shrek real? Plus: Paris Hilton, #MeSlurp, Smooching+ and the Shaquille O'Neal of hiding behind a tree... of braces. Also: Haaaaamburger.

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Pablo welcomes back America's most feared (and respected) young watchdog for lessons in challenging the Steve Ballmers of the world — and real talk on how "dynamic pricing" is more like surveillance. Speaking of which, a certain New York City mayoral candidate (and long-suffering Arsenal fan) enters the chat to make his case for why FIFA shouldn't bully fans by algorithm, why we can't normalize inequality... and why billionaires shouldn't exist at all.

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As the NBA commissioner and the richest owner in sports dig in their heels, Pablo scoops up more Aspiration receipts — from Mark Cuban's tweets to the Clippers' C-suite and the cellphone of Uncle Dennis. Meanwhile, Dan Le Batard breaks character to look after a muckraker running on fumes.

• Part III: The Mystery Investor, the No-Show Payday and the "Smoking Gun"

• Part II: Team Ballmer vs. Team Sh*tting Bricks — an Argument with Mark Cuban

• Part I: The Richest Owner in Sports, the Silent Superstar and the Rotten Apple Tree

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Superstars like Jannik Sinner and Mikaela Shiffrin wear a headset to train their minds and get in the zone. But a six-month investigation by Hunterbrook Media, in collaboration with PTFO, uncovered the technology's secret funding by entities linked to the Chinese government — plus partnerships with robotics companies helping to train super-soldiers of the future. Hunterbrook's Sam Koppelman examines the potential impact on AI, mind control, state surveillance, cognitive warfare... and one very surprised Super Bowl champion.

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A visit from the Def Comedy Jam legend that, as of one month ago, Pablo and Michael did not know. Alonzo “Hamburger” Jones is not afraid to answer the tough questions: how he discovered his catchphrase; why he’s wearing a Daniel Jones jersey; and what it was like to be in a lineup with Chris Tucker and Bernie Mac. Also: Filet-O-Fish. 

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Pablo unveils shocking new details (and documents) from inside the fraudulent company that spawned a generational NBA scandal, as Amin Elhassan and David Samson return for rational explanations in the court of podcast opinion — and contemplate Steve Ballmer's endgame.

• Part II: Team Ballmer vs. Team Sh*tting Bricks — an Argument with Mark Cuban

• Part I: The Richest Owner in Sports, the Silent Superstar and the Rotten Apple Tree

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He's stripped at the Super Bowl and evaded the authorities at Wimbledon. He danced in a tutu at the Olympics and raced alongside Usain Bolt. But Mark Roberts is more than the world's most notorious streaker. Because his memories of mischief contain multitudes. About how to challenge authority, then laugh with the cops. About how to find yourself, lose yourself... and love what it means to be a fan all over again.

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As the NBA announced an investigation in response to Pablo's reporting on Kawhi Leonard and the Clippers, he turned a Twitter war with the longtime Dallas Mavericks owner into an exclusive, impromptu debate. It was congenial and contentious, hypothetical and hyperbolic — and very, very revealing. About the secret world of billionaires and sports ownership. About oversight and due diligence and responsibility. About scams and sharks and toilets and, yes, Uncle Dennis.

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Pablo digs up a clue — buried in a promise to save the planet — and unearths a scandal: Did the wealthiest sports owner on Earth secretly sweeten the pot for the most private star in professional basketball? And what do Iron Man, Martin Luther King and Bill Clinton have to do with all of this? Former front-office executives Amin Elhassan and David Samson help us comb through more than 3,000 pages of exclusive documents... and discover links to the NBA's cardinal sin.

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For 27 years, filmmaker Mickey Duzyj carried a prideful secret history: He'd been the Dracula version of Ben Shelton in late-'90s Detroit, with his very own bleacher crows, a very special coach… and a deal with the devil.

(This episode originally aired October 24, 2024.)

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America's best documentary filmmaker spent nearly five years making a nine-hour masterpiece for Netflix. Which you'll never see. Edelman sits down with Pablo in search of catharsis — if not closure — in the battle for truth and control over the life story of one of the biggest control freaks ever.

(This episode originally aired March 4, 2025.)

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His callers are a portal to the college-football universe — and the American South today. As Finebaum himself says, "We found this audience before Donald Trump did." We're talking poisoned trees, an on-air heart attack... and one Alabama super-fan with a truly haunting past.

(This episode originally aired December 19, 2024.)

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No job in America is more scrutinized, except for (maybe) the presidency. And yet no job is more misunderstood — even by the stars who mastered it. On the eve of a new football season, Pablo joins journalism's foremost QB scholar for a case study in royalty: How do the Mannings keep producing under-center superstars? What connects the Golden Age of Hollywood to John Elway? Is Tom Brady’s newsletter right about fatherhood? And why do Nick Saban’s assistants call him “Daddy”?

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He was the Bill James of basketball. A cocky forefather of sports analytics who saw numbers as colors. Whose book, "Basketball Heaven," helped usher in the three-point era. And who failed. But Martin Manley also left behind a map, ranging from X-Files to his mother-in-law to the path toward the most efficient life... and death. Reporters Nick Altschuller and Rich Levine adapt their new "30 for 30" podcast — produced by our parent company Meadowlark Media and Adam McKay's Hyperobject Industries, in partnership with ESPN.

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He is one of the most disturbing and unapologetic filmmakers in Hollywood, from creating "Requiem for a Dream" to choosing conquistador sci-fi over Batman. But director Darren Aronofsky's new movie — "Caught Stealing," starring Austin Butler as a former MLB prospect — is a departure. Toward optimism; nostalgia; and Cheez. (Because, as any real New Yorker knows, you get everything you want when you no longer want it that much.)

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The host of “The Adam Friedland Show” is here to come out of the closet as the secret inspiration for one of PTFO’s most controversial episodes. Also: Pablo and Adam’s (real) LSAT scores; loving Kobe; telling Kobe how your ass tastes; @perfectbooties; if LeBron is the Millennial Michael Jordan; the secrets of good interviewing; calling Tony Kornheiser; photo shoots; campus protests; dunking on Chris Cuomo; Jonathan Livingston Seagull; cucking Richard Nixon; and value premises.

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If you’ve been asking Pablo to discuss Jeffrey Epstein… this episode is for you. The NFLPA’s election of a new executive director, David White, has brought a new level of spin, and denial, about a major scandal — and cover-up — during his tenure atop SAG-AFTRA. So PTFO summons Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio back for a fourth (!) installment of their endless NFL investigation. And with the help of a brave new character, we attempt to do what this union only says they did: tell the truth about the leadership they chose.

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In another edition of Share & Tell, Pablo, Katie Nolan, and Michael Cruz Kayne dissect an evening they spent together; the secrets of taping comedy specials; vasectomies; peak Britney Spears; and the legend of Alonzo “Hamburger” Jones. Plus: mewing, boofing, rooves, Wendy Wetface, Japanese Student No. 9 and Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp.

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Not since the Greco-Roman period has sculpture mattered this much in sports. And Jerry Saltz — the Pulitzer Prize-winning senior art critic for New York magazine — has zero idea who Dwyane Wade is. Which is precisely why we asked the erstwhile Jewish Cowboy (we'll explain) to evaluate our athletic Bronze Age, from Michael Jordan to Cristiano Ronaldo. And that's before we get to "I Can't Believe It's Not Pablo (Butter on Gasbag, 2024)." Plus: the conscious uncoupling of art and money, sex workers in Jacksonville, how to make an enemy of envy, and why you can't be a vampire alone.

(This episode originally aired December 3, 2024.)

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The story of basketball cannot be told without Oscar Schmidt, the greatest scorer to never play in the NBA. Pablo travels to Florida for a sit-down with a legend whose impact on the game — like his laugh — still echoes today.

(This episode originally aired March 14, 2024.)

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At the 1936 Berlin Olympics, Adolf Hitler gave the legendary runner a gift: four potted oak-tree saplings — one for each gold medal that Owens won, while surrounded by Nazis, in one of the greatest sports performances ever. Correspondent David Fleming examines what Owens did with The Hitler Oaks... and why his decision remains an enduring act of American defiance.

(This episode originally aired June 8, 2024.)

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Our semi-regular roundtable on sports business reconvenes for expertise from the boardroom: David Samson takes Pablo behind the scenes of Ichiro's viral joke about him at the Baseball Hall of Fame, then John Skipper translates the math from the ESPN negotiating table to the Unrivaled cap table the looming strike over WNBA salaries — and team valuations at large. Plus: foreskin, poppycock, psychedelic pastel paisley, pandering to the people, talking with your eyes... and a haberdashery version of pre-determinism.

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As the NFL returns, Pablo and Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio are back with more secret documents, a federal investigation, new government names, billions of union dollars, an O.J. Simpson parking space, the world’s largest strip club... and one big "clusterf*ck." Does the OneTeam Partners saga connect to a Game of Thrones-style power play by the NFLPA's shadow boss? Or could the feds be on the trail of an even bigger scandal?

• Part One: The NFL's Secret Collusion Case, Revealed

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• Part Two: We Got Another Secret Union Document — and Smoked Out Another Cover-Up

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• Ex-NFLPA boss Howell's strip club expenses sent to investigator (Don Van Natta Jr. and Kalyn Kahler)

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• "If he failed, their process failed": Inside the NFLPA meltdown (Don Van Natta Jr. and Kalyn Kahler)

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