Conspirituality

Matthew here with the third installment of Five Big Questions Posed to an Extremely Thoughtful Person. 

Michelle Cassandra Johnson was an early guest on our show and helped us lay the groundwork for understanding the reality and impacts of racism in the worlds of wellness and new spirituality.

She’s an author, activist, and racial equity trainer. Her latest book, A Space For Us: A Guide For Leading Black, Indigenous, and People of Color Affinity Groups, was published by Beacon Press in August 2023. She lives in North Carolina with her sweet dog, Jasper, and her honeybees.

Show Notes

Michelle Cassandra Johnson

Conspirituality 40: White Supremacy: Grift and Gravity (w/Michelle Cassandra Johnson & Daniel Lombroso) 

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Derek discusses Tucker Carlson advocating for corporal punishment as a way to discipline children in his appearance at the Turning Points USA MAGA rally.

Show Notes

Stephen Colbert: Tucker Carlson’s Weird Daddy Issues

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Billionaire legal activist Leonard Leo has had a role in placing all six conservative justices on the SCOTUS, and so therefore is in large part responsible for the overturning of Roe V Wade. But his right-wing activism isn’t even close to over, as he recently stated during a rare interview with The Daily Wire. Derek and Julian discuss Leo’s dark vision for the future.

Swamp Creatures 6: Leonard Leo, Judicial Kingmaker

Inside Leonard Leo’s Plan For Conservatives To ‘Crush Liberal Dominance’

We Don’t Talk About Leonard: The Man Behind the Right’s Supreme Court Supermajority

Leonard Leo’s Extremely Revealing Letter to a Dark-Money Group

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On Oct 4, Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine, economics, and health research policy at Stanford, held a symposium at his university. Titled “Pandemic Policy: Planning the Future, Assessing the Past,” it was marketed as an open-minded series of panel discussions involving a range of experts to debate and discuss the efficacy of Covid mitigation techniques.

In reality, it was a collection of mostly anti-vax and definitely anti-lockdown contrarians that tried in vain to bait people like Dr Peter Hotez to attend in order to give the event an air of legitimacy. Held on the anniversary of the “Covid is bad for business” doctrine, The Great Barrington Declaration, the day presented an opportunity to air supposed “censorship” grievances and demands that the public should have a say in the science of future pandemics.

The rub: most everyone involved is invested in the economics of public health, not the science, though those lines were freely and falsely blurred throughout the day. Considering Stanford’s new president, economist Jonathan Levin, gave the opening remarks, the Covid contrarians took one more step into the mainstream with their business-first, science-whatever attitudes.

Show Notes

Pro-COVID UK Charity With Anti-Vax Ties Behind Controversial Stanford Health Policy Conference

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick says a failing economy is worse than coronavirus 

Dr. Vinay Prasad: “Public Health’s (Mis)Truth Problem”

Can Stanford Tell Fact from Fiction?

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As the world watches, Israel and Iran are squaring off for a potential war. Meanwhile, a Texas evangelical preacher, who runs the biggest Christian Zionist group in the world, is cheering on the coming apocalypse—as predicted in his 2005 book, Jerusalem Countdown. John Hagee even flew to DC to persuade Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, to jam through another military aid package.

Julian examines the real-world significance of conflicting religious prophecies focused on one particular piece of real estate in East Jerusalem as the “shoreline of eternity”—the portal into God’s Kingdom.

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Trump’s Town Hall DJ love-in stumped a lot of folks. From the conspirituality angle, however, there’s something familiar about this improvised ritual. Because the world we cover is strewn with the wreckage of charismatic patriarchs who bleed their followers dry in the closed-loop system of cultic dynamics. 

When leaders like Trump get to the end of the line, all that’s left is pure affect. They have exhausted themselves in the efforts of self-aggrandizement. They have nothing left to say because they’ve said it a 1000 times. They’re all out of stories. They might even be bored of their own bullshit. Underslept or dysregulated by chaotic schedules, they may not be sure where they are. They’re beset by enemies, ill and in cognitive decline, but can’t admit it. And when they start to feel overwhelmed by their followers' pathetic—in their view—neediness, they will reach for any help they can get in maintaining their emotional dominance. 

What October 14 showed us is that in these moments, Trump’s go-to resource is canned music, and, without his own iPad at the ready, a DJ handler who can spin the tracks and support his reverie of relief and control. 

Show Notes

Trump holds town hall in Pennsylvania suburbs with focus on economy 

How Media Outlets Covered Trump’s Musical Town Hall

Donald Trump is DJing weekly at Mar-a-Lago, plays Broadway songs and Celine Dion from his iPad, report says

DJ T: How Trump controls the music at Mar-a-Lago  

Twitter thread 

152: Tulsi Gabbard’s Krishna Consciousness (w/Nitai Joseph)

PLAYING FOR OSHO 1989 Introduction – Chinmaya Dunster 

Patted Down by India’s Hugging Saint 

The Soft Nationalism of Amma, India’s Hugging Saint

37: Guru Jagat Cultjacks Kundalini Yoga (w/Philip Deslippe & Stacie Stukin)

Letter to Sogyal Rinpoche from current and ex-Rigpa members details abuse allegations 

Trump's bizarre music session reignites questions about his mental acuity 

Brief: Trump’s Impending Ego Implosion (w/ Daniel Shaw)

Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation

Sex abuse allegations surround L.A. Buddhist teacher

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People will reach for anything to relieve the stress of climate anxiety. 

There’s outright denial: this can’t be happening. It doesn’t fit in with my understanding of the world. The science must be wrong. During Milton, Catturd wonders why the wind speed keeps changing on the weather reports. They must be making it up. Or the guy in Galveston, TX, posting that he can’t see any hurricane from his Gulf view.

When denial is impractical, there’s political displacement: our enemies are responsible. They’re seeding the clouds, they’re spewing the chemtrails. The Democrats are sparking tornadoes with invisible drones over swing states. They’re using radio waves to steer the hurricane’s eye. They’re clearing land for lithium mining so they can take our gas hog pickups away.

But when the storm surge is just too high to attribute to Jewish space lasers, there’s also good old spiritual displacement: God is punishing our enemies for their sins. We didn’t stop all their abortions and anal sex, and now we are caught in the crossfire of God’s just vengeance. 

Today we look at the distortions and disruptions, the fallacies and fables—and not all of them from the right—that keep people locked in climate paralysis.

Show Notes

Food Babe misinformation carousel

Wigington v. MacMartin, 2:21-cv-02355-KJM-DMC 

Record Hot Water Is Fueling Hurricane Milton 

Hurricane Milton: what causes such intense storms? 

What Big Oil knew about climate change, in its own words 

Early oil industry knowledge of CO2 and global warming | Nature Climate Change

Exxon Confirmed Global Warming Consensus in 1982 with In-House Climate Models 

No obituary for Earth: Scientists fight climate doom talk 

Guy McPherson and Near Term Human Extinction - The Mike Nowak Show with Peggy Malecki 

Arctic News: It’s time to pursue hospice, by Guy McPherson 

Statement on Guy McPherson - Eugene 

The faulty science, doomism, and flawed conclusions of Deep Adaptation - 

Ecological Grief as a Response to Environmental Change: A Mental Health Risk or Functional Response? - PMC 

The faulty science, doomism, and flawed conclusions of 'Deep Adaptation' | openDemocracy

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Matthew fields excellent questions about his new book from colleagues Ann Gleig and Michelle C. Johnson. 

NAB Show Notes

This event includes discussions on sensitive topics related to abuse; sexual assault; high-demand tactics; racism; gender-based violence; and systems of dominance, patriarchy, and oppression. We know that these topics may be distressing or triggering to some attendees, and we invite you to take care when listening, and to tend to your needs if you feel activated, overwhelmed, or emotionally impacted. We're so grateful you're here, and we thank you for coming. We also want to thank survivors of sexual violence and abuse in yoga, wellness, Buddhist communities, and beyond, whose stories, voices, and feedback have been invaluable to the work each of us continues to do in service of healing our communities from the harm of sexual violence.

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Born in 1831, Helena "Madame" Blavatsky pioneered the New Age grift. The Russian aristocrat plagiarized her books while claiming to be channeling the “Masters of Ancient Wisdom” to tell a dodgy heroic back-story. She founded the Theosophical Society in New York, claimed to have learned a secret Tibetan language, and laid the foundation for alien channelers and Woo-Anon. She also inspired the Nazis.

In the latest episode from a series on the pseudoscience New Age roots of today’s conspirituality phenomenon, Julian pins Blavatsky on the cork-board map.

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On September 29, a predicted one million people were going to show up for the Rescue the Republic event in Washington DC. Founded by the libertarian party chair, the Defeat the Mandates founder, and “professor in exile,” Bret Weinstein, about 1,500 mostly MAGA acolytes showed up. Yet the event represents something a long time building in America: the strange and at times uncomfortable merging of wellness and right-wing politics via MAHA and MAGA.

Sure, RFK Jr was there, but today we’re going to look at a few figures we haven’t covered in a while, or at all. As can be expected in conspiracy land, the C-list celebrities brought some of the most outlandish, and most dangerous, ideas along with them.

Show Notes

Orange Shirt Day | The Canadian Encyclopedia 

National Day for Truth and Reconciliation and the History of Residential Schools - Foundry

Phyllis’ Story - Orange Shirt Society 

More Than Anything Else, the Rally to Rescue the Republic Was Awkward

Are food dyes used in the US banned in other countries? No, not really.

IDF Ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7 to Prevent Hamas Taking Soldiers Captive - Israel News - Haaretz.com 

Have no childhood vaccines ever been tested using double-blind placebo controlled trials?

​​Vincent van Gogh's "Sunflowers" paintings vandalized hours after activists sentenced for similar incident - CBS News

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With MAHA taking over stages nationwide, we’re experiencing a deluge of wellness influence and contrarians screaming about systemic issues with food, medicine, and government. Yet the solutions they offer never actually address public health. 

Ironically, the same trend has been occurring in investment-driven medicine, where both government and private sector money is flowing into individualized medicine at the expense of public health. 

Derek dives into this sordid affair, concluding with six steps experts agree would actually do something about the state of our health.

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Finally: a dedicated, concise report on RFK Jr’s sordid history with women, with all the sources.

Why? 

Because now one of the allegations involves a criminal act. 

And because it’s becoming clearer that the emotional manipulation he allegedly deploys in his personal life—many sources say that “love-bombing” is his technique—rhymes so closely with his political day-to-day that it’s hard to find the lines between stumping, white knighting, seducing, and screwing.

Correction: The RFK Jr clip “I’m not a church boy” ran on Breaking Points, not Majority Report.



Show Notes

The real victims of Olivia Nuzzi’s affair with RFK Jr are other female journalists | Moira Donegan | The Guardian 

Exclusive: Multiple Women Claiming Romantic Relationships With RFK Jr. Threaten His Standing in Trump Orbit 

RFK Jr.’s Family Doesn’t Want Him to Run. Even They May Not Know His Darkest Secrets. | Vanity Fair 

Damning Report Reveals RFK Jr.’s History of Alleged Sexual Assault | The New Republic

RFK Jr. Was a Compulsive Womanizer, and Yes, We Should Care | The New Republic 

43 suspected mistresses found in RFK Jr.’s phone 

Former babysitter for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. accuses him of sexual assault in Vanity Fair profile 

Woman who accused RFK Jr of sexual assault says he apologized by text | Reuters  

Keith Edwards — “I’m not a church boy.”

Massachusetts Sexual Assault Laws

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Texts Apology to Woman Who Says He Sexually Assaulted Her 

A Timeline of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s Controversies 

The Last Days of Mary Kennedy: 'She Is Angry and Depressed, but She Is Not Ill' (Exclusive) 

AA meetings in the White House? Kennedy, a recovering addict, says it's just one of changes he'd make

RFK Jr. Wants to Send People Addicted to Antidepressants to Government “Wellness Farms” – Mother Jones  

Brief: The New Age Origin Story of RFK Jr’s Campaign — Conspirituality

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Cleanse the soil! Purify the blood! Save the children! Make America Healthy Again!

On Sept 23, Jordan Peterson, RFK Jr., rising alt-health stars Casey and Calley Means, and many other nutrition non-experts gathered for a live streamed event they called the American Health and Nutrition Roundtable, hosted by Republican Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin.

Their subtitle, A Second Opinion, was an apt description for the alternative fact-filled diatribes that ensued. The soil has been poisoned, everyone is fat and sick, the entire medical industry is corrupted by Big Pharma, and Big Food is enacting a genocide on the American people via metabolic dysfunction. COVID skepticism and anti-vax messaging lurked just beneath the surface.

The speakers painted a terrifying picture and then presented themselves as benevolent common-sense saviors. At the climax of her speech, Casey Means, fresh from her career-boosting Tucker Carlson appearance, took a deep breath before declaring that this is all actually a spiritual crisis.

Killers of the Flower Moon: The real history behind diabetes and Native Americans. 

Special Report: QAnon Fantasies Look Like Colonial Realities (w/Julian Brave NoiseCat) — Conspirituality

Palestinians pampered”— Robert Kennedy Jr

CDC Sociodemographic Data on American chronic disease

Commonwealth Fund: Portrait of the Failing US Healthcare System

Mikhaila Fuller | Yeah, I get botox. From the latest Q&A, link in bio. | Instagram

Mikhaila Peterson’s life at the molten core of the culture wars - New Statesman  

NPR on International Journal of Obesity Study

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Matthew here with the second installment of Five Big Questions Posed to an Extremely Thoughtful Person. 

Does Natalie Wynn need an introduction? Or do we simply know that every frame of every Contrapoints essay is a gorgeous still life, a love letter to the unknown viewer thirsty for smarts and queerness and justice?

Often, top-tier artfulness will wind up concealing the artist. But despite the rigors of curation and the introversion Wynn ‘fesses up to in this interview, she also communicates welcome and generosity, and it was an honor to hear her speak personally about these Big Things.. 

BTW: here are the five questions. You can think about them too.

• What terrifies you most in these times?
• What is the most meaningful and supportive idea or story you return to for reliable wisdom and relief?
• What is the greatest obstacle you face in forming community relationships, and how do you work to overcome it?
• If you were responsible for comforting and guiding a child terrified of climate catastrophe, how would you do it? What would you say? 
• If your wisest ancestor came in a dream to offer you one piece of advice about living in difficult times, what would it be?

Show Notes

ContraPoints - YouTube

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An essay from Matthew exploring the problem of authenticity which plagues every investigation we do on the spiritual influencer beat. 

There are queasy questions we’re always contending with when we’re listening to the preaching of Charles Eisenstein, Kelly Brogan, Zach Bush, or RFK Jr: 

Has this person really committed to the spirituality they are presenting? Or is spirituality instrumental to them? Do they have experience to share, or programs to sell?

It’s hard if not impossible to find the line between these things, especially in the society of the spectacle, especially when we’re talking about influencers we don’t personally know. But it's an important consideration because assumptions made in one direction or another taint the entire discourse. 

Maybe, we’re talking about the difference between unearned faith and earned faith.

Show Notes

Zero at the Bone: Wiman

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On Monday, Senator Ron Johnson sponsored a congressional panel entitled "American Health and Nutrition: A Second Opinion." Unfortunately no actual health or nutrition experts were invited. Instead, the four-and-a-half hour event featured speakers like Robert F Kennedy Jr, Jordan Peterson, Jillian Michaels, Vani Hari (Food Babe), and a host of other influencers and contrarians. Derek investigates all the science that wasn't told—and all the products and services that were sold.

Note: Derek meant to compare aluminum fear-mongering with thimerasol (organomercury) but instead conflated them. Both are safe at the level used in vaccines as adjuvants, though most thimerasol was removed due to public outcries and an abundance of caution. Links added to Show Notes.

Show Notes

Mandela Barnes Says Sen. Ron Johnson 'Bought and Paid for' by Big Pharma

The Congressional "American Health and Nutrition Roundtable" was an egregious display of anti-science disinformation

MEDIA ADVISORY: Sen. Johnson to Lead Roundtable Discussion: “American Health and Nutrition: A Second Opinion”

Thimerosal and Vaccines

Adjuvants and Vaccines

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Tens of people will be flocking to Washington DC this Sunday as Rumble comes to life during Rescue the Republic, a one-day event featuring RFK Jr, Russell Brand, Jordan Peterson, Bret Weinstein, Tulsi Gabbard—it’s quite an impressive roster of anti-vax luminaries and right-wing contrarians gathering under the pretense of what is effectively a glorified Donald Trump rally.

And that’s not hyperbole, given that Trump is seated next to Elon Musk on the marketing materials, which is a graphic retelling of George Washington crossing the Delaware River. While this event is already infected with tons of conspirituality, one late addition caught our attention: Human Garage. This fascia-release-cures-everything organization had to flee California for Canada due to legal troubles, yet their star continues to rise as they embark on their “Transforming Trauma” world tour. And nothing says “healing” more than spreading pseudoscientific wellness jargon and hawking turmeric supplements at a Trump event.

Show Notes

Apostolic Journey to Singapore: Interreligious Meeting with Young People in the Catholic Junior College (13 September 2024) | Francis 

Lord by Thy Holy Cross 

Pope: War in Gaza is too much! No steps taken for peace - Vatican News

Physio Reacts: Episode 1 - Human Garage (Part 1 of ?)

Physio Reacts: Episode 2 - Human Garage (Part 2)

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The British occultists took the thin and sickly but beautiful boy away from his family. Groomed him for 20 years to become the savior of humanity. Trained him between 1909-29 to be a serene guru and charming English aristocrat. He looked good in a double-breasted suit and had fabulous hair. Huge amounts of money flowed into the organization they built around him.

But Krishnamurti became a man the day he shocked them all. Julian’s latest chapter of his historical series wraps up Helena Blavatsky’s Theosophical Society—one of the crucial 19th century roots of New Age metaphysics, and the phenomenon we call conspirituality.

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“God talks to human beings through many vectors. But nowhere with such detail, and grace and joy, as through creation. When we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine.”

With this April 2023 tweet, RFK Jr inaugurated his presidential campaign, which has now folded into a daily ritual of Trump bootlicking.

Now, Bobby is telling Tucker Carlson and the world that climate change cannot be solved through commitment to the “carbon orthodoxy.”

“It’s not about quantifying stuff,” he says. “That's what the devil does. But the reason we're preserving these things is because we love our children.”

What does this mean?

Matthew tracks the sources and implications of Kennedy’s broken climate discourse—rooted in St. Francis of Assisi, appealing to gentleman farmers and homeschoolers, allergic to the scientific abstractions that give us a truly global picture, and always committed to the free market. 

Show Notes

RFK Jr: Teaming up With Trump, Pavel Durov’s Arrest, CIA, and the Fall of the Democrat Party 

Birdwatching with Jonathan Franzen: 'Climate change isn't the only danger to birds' 

Special Interview: Nostalgia for the Superego (w/Sam Binkley) — Conspirituality 

Laudato si' (24 May 2015) | Francis 

Brian Swimme: The Cosmos Watching Itself (E35)

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There’s been a question gnawing at fans of Charles Eisenstein: what does he really feel about RFK Jr’s pivot to Trump? The always aspiring poet-philosopher was hired as a messaging advisor to Bobby, after all. We’ve spotted little fragments of Eisenstein’s exceptionally long essays sneaking their way into Bobby’s speeches. There was some influence, for sure, even after Charles went on multiple Costa Rican sabbaticals right in the middle of campaign season and apparently cut his consulting rate down from $21k per month, perhaps out of the goodness of the heart he knows is possible. And yet, for weeks after Bobby jumped the shark, Charles remained silent.

Until now, that is. With the publication of his recent 6,711-word essay, “Shades of Many Colors,” Eisenstein finally breaks his silence and lands firmly on the side of…well, we’re not quite sure. But one thing that’s emerged is Charles’s penchant for not crediting the source of some of his galaxy-brained ideas. Today, we’ll look at some of what Charles says in his latest opus, and try to figure out what exactly he’s saying.

mRNA vaccine spike protein differs from viral version

The effect of SARS-CoV-2 variant on respiratory features and mortality

SARS-CoV-2 Infections in mRNA Vaccinated Individuals are Biased for Viruses Encoding Spike E484K and Associated with Reduced Infectious Virus Loads that Correlate with Respiratory Antiviral IgG levels.

Autoimmune and Autoinflammatory Connective Tissue Disorders Following COVID-19

Risk of autoimmune diseases following COVID-19 and the potential protective effect from vaccination: a population-based cohort study

The Lancet: Most comprehensive study to date provides evidence on natural immunity protection by COVID-19 variant and how protection fades over time

Conspirituality 1: Coronation for Whom? 

Brief: The New Age Origin Story of RFK Jr’s Campaign — Conspirituality

86: Charles Eisenstein, New Age Q — Conspirituality  

Disavowing Disinformation - North Atlantic Books 

Inside the Last Weeks of RFK Jr.’s Campaign

Charles Eisenstein - What is the Next Story? - Scientific and Medical Network

Brian Swimme: The Cosmos Watching Itself (E35)

​Charles Eisenstein Whitewashes Trump, Caricatures & Demonizes Democrats in Post Decrying Caricatures & Demonization (Part 1)

Charles Eisenstein Endorses Trump, but Thinks You're Not Clever Enough to Notice (Part 2) 

Cardiac Events Following Mpox Vaccine

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"Biohacking expert" Kayla Barnes recently published a 31-minute video about her morning routine, filled with EMF-blocking shields, grounding protocols, and 40 different daily supplements. Good if you can afford it, but then she sells questionable protocols at her Cleveland, Ohio-based clinic, Lyv Wellness, despite having no clinical training. Derek watches what she says, then watches what she sells.

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Tucker Carlson is the Steve Bannon of Joe Rogans. Tucker surpasses Rogan’s massive reach at times, but his curated guest list drives a deliberate agenda: normalizing neo-fascist political discourse. He does it all with an affable, friendly, just-asking-questions, I’m-not-as-smart-as-my-guests attitude that may disguise what he’s doing—like interviewing a Holocaust-denier Nazi apologist, or framing modern-day dictatorships as admirable, or promoting the anti-semitic Great Replacement Theory, or globe-trotting to flatteringly interviewing brutal enemies of democracy like Viktor Orban or Vladimir Putin.

In the wake of recent controversy about WWII revisionism on Carlson’s show, Julian breaks down the accelerationist contours of Tucker’s far-right influence and agenda. Being fired from FOX News and going “independent” has only made it worse.

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In 2022, Tucker Carlson produced a documentary called “The End of Men,” his contribution to the so-called “masculinity crisis.” That’s when testicle tanning hit the mainstream, which one astute observer dubbed “bromeopathic therapy.”

Turns out the former Fox News host isn’t done dabbling in conspirituality. This year, he’s platformed the QAnon Shaman, Jacob Chansley; lyme disease conspiracist, Kris Newby; the “other” Naomi, Naomi Wolf; brother-sister optimizers, Casey and Calley Means; and he’s currently on a 16-city tour with the likes of Russell Brand and Alex Jones. He’s also partly responsible for helping usher RFK Jr into Donald Trump’s camp.

While the former CNN and MSNBC host turned far right provocateur isn’t leading wellness retreats (yet), he’s certainly being shared by an increasing number of wellness influencers, and we want to know why.

DOJ Accuses Russia of Sprawling Election Interference Campaign

Homeland Violence and Diaspora Insecurity: An Analysis of Israel and American Jewry | Politics and Religion | Cambridge Core 

Safety through Solidarity by Shane Burley, Ben Lorber

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Here’s the first installment of a regular timeline cleanser featuring interviews with folks reflecting on hope, faith, resilience and building community in hard times. 

You know—all the things that conspirituality itself can’t offer.

These are short, personal visits in which Matthew asks each guest the same five questions about their life wisdom—at least as it’s coming together in this moment.

To start this series, Matthew hearkens back to the roots of Conspirituality Podcast in the yoga world with guest Jivana Heyman. Jivana is the founder and director of Accessible Yoga, an organization dedicated to increasing access to the yoga teachings and supporting yoga teachers. He’s the author of Accessible Yoga: Poses and Practices for Every Body; Yoga Revolution: Building a Practice of Courage & Compassion; and The Teacher's Guide to Accessible Yoga: Best Practices for Sharing Yoga with Every Body. 

BTW: here are the five questions. You can think about them too.

• What terrifies you most in these times?
• What is the most meaningful and supportive idea or story you return to for reliable wisdom and relief?
• What is the greatest obstacle you face in forming community relationships, and how do you work to overcome it?
• If you were responsible for comforting and guiding a child terrified of climate catastrophe, how would you do it? What would you say? 
• If your wisest ancestor came in a dream to offer you one piece of advice about living in difficult times, what would it be?

Show Notes

jivanaheyman.com

9: Ableism in Conspiracy Theories (w/Jivana Heyman) — Conspirituality

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What does it mean to spill ink on dispelling conspiracy theories about non-existent children being murdered, while actual children are being murdered? At what point does the labour of debunking right wing wackjobs also do the shadow-work of supporting the liberal-center orthodoxy?

Matthew looks at how with QAnon, the liberal-center press criticized irrational responses to imaginary traumas, with a great sense of urgency. But on Gaza, they criticize rational responses to actual traumas, and imply that protesters are asking for too much, too fast. 

What happens downstream of denials, minimizations, and contradictions? What are the social and mental health implications of moral injury? Are these not some of the same social conditions that generate conspiracism?

Content warning: discussion of children, genocide

Show Notes

Is Israel Committing Genocide in Gaza? New Report from BU School of Law’s International Human Rights Clinic Lays Out Case 

Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza | UN News 

Dems Gave the 'Uncommitted Movement' Space to Talk About Gaza — Just Not on TV

First-Ever DNC Panel on Palestinian Rights: We Need to “Restore the Soul of the Democratic Party”  

“Stop Arming Israel”: Meet the DNC Delegates Who Unfurled Banner During Biden Speech 

201: Librarians Are Not Groomers (w/Heath Umbreit) — Conspirituality 

What I Saw Was “Unfathomable”: Doctor Who Worked in Gaza Speaks Out Against U.S. Arming of Israel 

Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential - The Lancet 

Clearing Gaza of almost 40m tonnes of war rubble will take years, says UN 

Israel Has Killed 2,100 Babies Under 2 Years Old in Gaza, Rights Group Says | Truthout 

NYU barricades benches 

College Administrators Spent Summer Break Dreaming Up Ways to Squash Gaza Protests 

The Black Mark on the Democrats’ Big Party | The New Republic 

Amnesty International Warns of U.S. Complicity in War Crimes in Gaza 

Christian Wiman | Yale Divinity School

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Calley Means is the cofounder of TrueMed, a company that helps businesses qualify products and services like supplements and ice baths for HSA and FSA money. Casey Means is the founder of Levels, a continuous glucose monitor subscription service aimed at the biohacking community. The brother and sister recently appeared on Tucker Carlson's podcast to rage against seed oils, as well as the food and pharma industries' focus on profits over people.

Derek dug into their business models, finding them guilty of the same "crimes" they accuse others of.

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RFK Jr has dropped out of the presidential race and thrown his weight behind Trump. In our 10th episode on the man in the last year-and-a-half, we look at the potential dangers of this unholy alliance, and what it means for America.

Show notes are extensive, visit patreon.com/conspirituality or conspirituality.net for more.

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Born in 1831, Helena “Madame” Blavatsky pioneered the New Age grift. The Russian aristocrat plagiarized her books while claiming to be channeling the “Masters of Ancient Wisdom” to tell a dodgy heroic back-story. She founded the Theosophical Society in New York, claimed to have learned a secret Tibetan language, and laid the foundation for alien channelers and Woo-Anon. She also inspired the Nazis.

In this debut episode from a series on the pseudoscience New Age roots of today’s conspirituality phenomenon, Julian pins Blavatsky on the cork-board map.

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Dems are laughing about Donny Dentures or #TrumpisDone, but the reality inside his head, and Mar a Lago, will be very grim, and there will be a lot of collateral damage.

Mental health titans like Robert Lifton have reached the consensus that Trump has been mentally ill for a long time. They’ve diagnosed him with “narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, paranoid personality disorder, delusional disorder, malignant narcissist,” and so on.

Such patients meet predictable ends when the wheels fall off. In the cult world (where Lifton has been so influential), there are bangs (Jim Jones) and there are whimpers (Keith Raniere). What might it look like for Trump?

No one is more qualified to discuss the possibilities with Matthew than Daniel Shaw, LCSW, a psychotherapist trained in psychoanalysis as well as in trauma-informed psychotherapies. He is in private practice in New York City and in Nyack, New York; and Faculty and Supervisor at The National Institute for the Psychotherapies in New York. He is the author of Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation, published by Routledge in 2014, and nominated for the prestigious Gradiva Award. His book Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear was published in 2021. He is known for his work with cult trauma survivors and with clients who have experienced narcissistic abuse.

Show Notes

Daniel Shaw, LCSW

Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation

Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear

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In one survey, 82% of young people aged 18-25 searched the internet for mental health advice. Another survey of university students found that 44% report using the internet to learn about sadness, anxiety, or confusion. Regardless of what mental health experts advise, people of all age groups are turning to the internet and social media for help.

What are the potential risks and rewards of using these platforms to try to communicate credible mental health science? And what happens when you’re endlessly trolled for being a “Big Pharma shill,” even when you don’t have prescriptive powers and only offer talk therapy in your clinical practice?

Clinical psychologist Jonathan Stea joins us to discuss these difficult questions. His new book, Mind the Science: Saving Your Mental Health from the Wellness Industry, is a field guide that responds to some of the intense challenges earnest seekers face when trying to navigate waters filled with supplements-slinging sharks who believe they can diagnose mental health conditions with zero training.

Show Notes

AI-generated video of Trump on ayahuasca 

Mind the Science: Saving Your Mental Health from the Wellness Industry

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Peter McCullough recently shared a ton of misinformation about mpox while speaking to Drew Pinsky; both men work for The Wellness Company, a supplements company that weaponizes anti-vax misinformation to sell products. Mikki Willis uses the Hero's Journey as a guide to dealing with mpox—and falsely represents Joseph Campbell's work. Russell Brand and Bret Weinstein claim mpox is a government psyop and nothing more.

Derek looks at the conspiritualist fervor bubbling up around what's turning out to be another dangerous virus by men who do everything but point to sound public health measures.

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ProPublica recently got a hold of 25 Project 2025 training videos—over 14 hours worth of content revealing the policies the Heritage Foundation would like to see implemented if Donald Trump regains the White House. Derek and Julian break down one of the most egregious.

Inside Project 2025’s Secret Training Videos

Undercover in Project 2025

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Did you hear that Taylor Swift is supporting Donald Trump for president? That’s right: last week, the former president shared photos of fans rocking “Swifties for Trump” t-shirts on Truth Social. Trump seemed pleased, replying to his online following of 24 billion people: “I accept.”

Yet something seemed off. Just like photos of Trump surrounded by seven-fingered Black Americans smiling on city stoops, these Swiftie endorsement photos were AI generated. As it turns out, AI is playing a more insidious and dangerous role in this year’s election—and in the conspiracy theory industry—than ever. The line between fact and fiction has long been blurred, but we’re entering a new reality where distinguishing between those two might prove impossible.

This week, we look at the stakes of the first AI-generated election in America—and wonder how much worse it can get, even in three short months.

Trump Promotes A.I. Images to Falsely Suggest Taylor Swift Endorsed Him

Christian Nationalists Are Opening Private Schools. Taxpayers Are Funding Them.

Fake Photos, Real Harm: AOC and the Fight Against AI Porn

Propaganda, foreign interference, and generative AI

AI Poses Risks to Both Authoritarian and Democratic Politics

Election disinformation takes a big leap with AI being used to deceive worldwide

B'Tselem report summary: "Welcome to Hell: The Israeli Prison System as Network of Torture Camps", August 2024

B'Tselem report: "Welcome to Hell: The Israeli Prison System as Network of Torture Camps", August 2024

Detention and alleged ill-treatment of detainees from Gaza during Israel-Hamas War 

U.S. decries reported sexual abuse of Palestinian prisoners after graphic video aired on Israeli TV 

US approves sale to Israel of $20 billion weapons package | Reuters 

A record share of US electricity comes from zero-carbon sources - but more work is needed 

China could exceed renewables generation target of 33% by 2025 | S&P Global Commodity Insights 

Israeli Government Pays $2M for AI Influence Campaign

Israel-Funded Disinfo Campaign Targets US Lawmakers

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A short break-the-fourth-wall reflection from Matthew on his new regular series for our main feed, starting in September. 

The Conspirituality Relief Project will provide regular timeline-cleanser interviews in which super interesting guests reflect on hope, faith, resilience, and building community in hard times. 

You know, all of the things that conspirituality itself promises to do, but can’t, or won’t.

Every guest gets thirty minutes, and the same five questions:

1. What terrifies you most in these times?
2. What is the most meaningful and supportive idea or story you return to for reliable wisdom and relief?
3. What is the greatest obstacle you face in forming community relationships, and how do you work to overcome it?
4. If you were responsible for comforting and guiding a child terrified of climate catastrophe, how would you do it? What would you say? 
5. If your wisest ancestor came in a dream to offer you one piece of advice about living in difficult times, what would it be?

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An unexpectedly cheerful followup to “JD Vance Taps into Parental Rage.” The alt titles today could be: “Tim Walz Taps into Parental Goals,” or “Disarming the Disinfo of the Right is Great, But Have You Tried Dad Jokes?” 

Across social media, liberal millennial women are tagging Tim Walz as the return of the dad they lost to Fox News. Matthew digs into that graveyard with a survey of the tools that we’ve used to examine the nature and function of patriarchal bullshit as it dominates conspirituality, cults, and QAnon. The result is a stroll through a Madame Tussaud’s display of fragile and toxic influencer fathers, from Jordan Peterson to Jim Watkins to RFK Jr to Donald Trump. 

Tim Walz not only doesn’t do any of the things these guys do—he might be rooting around in his special tool drawer now to find just the thing it’ll take to fix what they’ve done.

Note: this is not a blind love-fest or blanket endorsement of as-yet vague policies. But there is something powerful going on with Walz’s new-old modeling of Big Dad Energy. 

A Balanced Assessment of Tim Walz’s Record from the Minnesota Center for Environmental Advocacy | lvgaldieri 

Tim Walz’s green resume has an oily stain 

Minnesota activists criticize Tim Walz for refusing to meet with Palestinians – Mondoweiss 

Donald Trump Likens His Schooling to Military Service in Book - The New York Times 

Tim Walz was my teacher in high school. Here's what I've carried with me about him all these years later.

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Eight years ago, they called us cucks, libtards, and globalists. We were corrupted by cultural Marxism, teaching our kids to hate themselves. Four years ago they gloated over drinking liberal tears. They called us sheeple, groomers, vampires, pedos. We made up a pandemic so that we could brew up a kill shot, and force it on everyone after making ourselves soy-boy sick. We were exposing our kids to trans strippers in the library and showing them how to use buttplugs in kindergarten. When our children were sufficiently deranged and submissive, we drained them of adrenochrome and mutilated their privates.

JD Vance’s ONE JOB was to turn this bullying into policy, and encode it in the pages of Project 2025. Peter Thiel sent him forth to blend every shitpost into a radioactive slurry to power a cybertruck convoy carrying the titans of New Right capitalism into Washington. 

He tried. He really did. 

But then came the stories about him. That he fucked a couch. He wrote about it in his book, someone said. Someone else said he was getting off on dolphin porn. The lies spread, with glee and schadenfreude. And he folded. Like a foldaway. 

Suddenly, all the green drained out of million shriveling Pepes and made the world verdant with hope. And from the middle of a cornfield football grid, Tim Walz manifests with his Big Dad grin and said, "Let’s roll up our sleeves and beat these creepy weirdos.”

Today we’ll talk about fighting conspiracy theories that started as jokes with jokes that defuse conspiracy theories. About what it takes to commandeer the attention economy, and how much of our souls we spend to do it. About the difference between meme wars and policy debates, and how far the Big Dad Energy vibes can take us.

RFK Jr.'s incredible disappearing campaign 

Was J.D. Vance's Hillbilly Elegy Really a True Story? All About the VP Candidate's Controversial Memoir 

Walz on Morning Joe

The author of the viral joke post about JD Vance having sex with a couch breaks his silence 

162 lies and distortions in a news conference. NPR fact checks former President Trump

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Tech billionaire Peter Thiel claims “freedom and democracy are incompatible.” Mentor and $15M donor behind JD Vance’s political career, Peter Thiel also has an influence: Mencius Moldbug, computer programmer and lead philosopher of the “Dark Enlightenment,” or “neoreactionary” movement. 

Moldburg says, “if Americans want their government to change, they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia.” Erstwhile pen-name of Curtis Yarvin, “Moldburg” is openly anti-democratic, advocating for one-party city-states ruled by CEO-kings. His takes on race, slavery, and the Nazis are equally alarming. 

Vance has also publicly praised and cited his work, and Thiel gave $1.1 million to Yarvin’s tech start-up. Julian digs into the toxic pseudo-intellectual philosophy behind the next wave of MAGA authoritarianism.

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Ziklag’s ultra-wealthy network of Christian donors is spending nearly $12M to mobilize Republican voters in order to secure a Trump victory this November. ProPublica found that their plan involves purging 1M+ people from the voter rolls in key swing states. Unsurprisingly, this is yet another Christian nationalist group with ties to Project 2025.

Here’s the thing: Ziklag is classified as a 501c3 charity organization, which means they’re breaking longstanding rules of nonprofit governance. Will they be held accountable and lose their status? Derek and Julian discuss.

Show Notes

Inside Ziklag, the Secret Organization of Wealthy Christians Trying to Sway the Election and Change the Country

Ziklag Exposed: Secretive Christian Nationalist Network Tries to Purge Voters in Battleground States

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You’re an eight year-old girl. The purity culture of your evangelical church, ruled by men but policed by women, has you worried that the spaghetti straps on your summer top might be sinful. You learn from the women around you how to defer, serve, please, keep your voice girl-like forever, and use it to both signal obedience but also piously request relief from sexual aggression. 

You’re a seven year-old boy. The holy laws of gender in your church dictate that when you’re the only male present at Bible study, you must lead the room full of women in reading and prayer. You must perform manliness in your boy’s body, assuming an anxious leadership role you did not earn. If you don’t puff yourself up, you’re a sissy—one of the girls alongside you learning the tones of the Fundie Baby Voice.

These are parts of the stories of Julia Postema and Jeremiah Gibson, the co-hosts of the podcast Sexvangelicals: The Sex Education the Church Didn't Want You to Have. They are Boston-based licensed psychotherapists and certified sex therapists. They specialize in helping couples with negative religious backgrounds discover sexuality that works for their partnership. Julian and I sat down with them to learn about how their clients recover from purity culture, and sometimes in the process run smack into its mirror world: the tantric workshop land of divine masculine and feminine stereotypes plus fascinations with semen retention.

Show Notes

Sexvangelicals: Podcast | Website | Instagram | Substack

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Scroll through masculinity influencer social media feeds and you're constantly told there's a "crisis of meaning." But is that really true? Has a shared meaning ever reflected the totality of any population?

Derek turns this idea over in his head by looking at the mythology of the hero's journey. But first, he provides some inspirational messages from the White Dudes for Harris call last week, where perhaps a new and empowering sense of masculinity is taking hold.

Show Notes

White Dudes for Harris

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The “childless cat lady” thing is as ridiculous as JD Vance is. But it’s not stupid. It’s tapping into something powerful, because it’s shameful.

Vance’s fantasy that childless cat ladies are miserable in their lives is another case of every accusation being a projection.

In actuality, he’s speaking to that swath of parents out there in general—and particularly on the right—who are actually miserable in their lives, regretting their choices, wondering why God saddled them with 4-5-6 kids in a country that does so little to support families.

But it’s illegal to say any of this. Children are gifts from God, right? They have to disown it and pretend that their families are perfect and perfectly fulfilling.

An editorial-style Brief from Matthew, who’s been parenting as a stepdad and biodad for long enough to know that parents and the childless absolutely need each other.

Full text of "GHETTO DIARY - ENGLISH - JANUSZ KORCZAK"

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If something real occurs in this timeline, but no conspiracy theorist is there to FUBAR it, does it actually happen?

An old man, weakened by COVID, picks up an old-timey phone handset on a Delaware Saturday to tell a childless cat lady that the reins of destiny are now in her hands.

A staffer clicks “post” at 1:46pm, and X lights up with something real… that throws an instant shadow of insanity.

Biden is too sick to have posted, they say. He’s dead, they say. He has staged or suffered a coup. And Kamala Harris? A DEI bimbo flashing esoteric Marxist hand signals. The DNC is fraudulently transferring the campaign war chest. They couldn’t kill Trump so now they’re playing dirty with the nomination. Biden’s brother is stepping in, Biden’s body double is 8 inches too tall. Dudes who made too much “Let’s Go Brandon” merch are launching lawsuits and crying in their beer.

We run down the most cursed Kamala conspiracy theories, how they distort the real questions about her, how being a childless cat lady is her superpower, and whether the ghouls that dream them up really matter.

Show Notes

Vivian Wilson on Threads: There’s a lot of stuff I need to debunk

Elon Musk's transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child

J.D. Vance’s Hatred of Cat Ladies Is Weirder and More Dangerous Than You Think

J.D. Vance Really Is the Key to Understanding the American Right

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This is the second episode in “Conspirituality and the Imaginary Children,” an occasional series on how children, as symbols (but not persons with their own internal lives) are at the center of conspirituality anxiety and discourse. 

The title is taken from a pamphlet published by Ralph Drollinger, a former professional basketball player from San Diego who founded a 501c3 called Capitol Ministries in 1996 to facilitate prayer meetings and study guides for congresspeople in Washington, and state legislators in more than 40 states. 

Drollinger’s crowning achievement was to initiate a weekly Bible study group in the White House during the Trump administration. The 60-90 minutes were regularly attended by ten Trump cabinet members. 

Like many evangelicals, Drollinger argues that spanking children is mandated by the Bible But he also goes a Trumpian extra mile—explicitly connecting the virtue of child assault in the home to the state’s monopoly on violence. Matthew walks through what this looks like and how Drollinger justifies it through narrow and dishonest readings of scripture.

Show Notes

God's Word on Spanking [text] 

God’s Word on Spanking [youtube] 

194: The Power Worshippers (w/Katherine Stewart) — Conspirituality 

How the Trump Cabinet’s Bible Teacher Became a Shadow Diplomat - The New York Times 

White House Bible Study Led by Pastor Who Is Anti-Gay, Anti-Women and Anti-Catholic - Newsweek 

Is God Judging America Today? by Ralph Drollinger 

Ralph Drollinger | GLAAD 

Exclusive Interview with Ralph Drollinger: Meet the preacher who teaches the Bible to the US Cabinet - WELT 

Capitol Ministries 2023 revenue 

Jordan B. Peterson’s Support of Corporal Punishment for Children: A Critique - Mad In America 

Shepherding a Child's Heart — Tripp 

Shepherding a Child's Heart (a short critique) — DonOwsley.com 

Ministry Versus Political Activism by Ralph Drollinger 

Text of the Spencer Spanking Plan 

Misused Scripture: Jeremiah 17:9. 

HEBREW WORD STUDY – Deceitful and Wicked אנשׁ עכב | Chaim Bentorah

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A tale of two tweets: Dark Horse podcast cohost and “conspiracy hypothesizer” Bret Weinstein took to Twitter twice this month, first dropping a video claiming that RFK Jr becoming Donald Trump’s running mate would make them “assassination proof,” then later floating the idea that an AI Joe Biden really phoned into Kamala Harris’s first conference as the presumptive presidential nominee. Or…is Biden even alive?

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Just two days after surviving an assassination attempt, Donald Trump announced JD Vance as his VP pick. Vance has made a dramatic U-turn from calling Trump a "reprehensible idiot" and "America's Hitler" in 2016. But who is this 39 year old, really—who after less than two years of on-the-job experience, is now almost a heartbeat away from leading the free world?

Well, not unlike other right-wing populists in Europe and at home, Vance has an idiosyncratic political affinity for JRR Tolkien. We might even call him America’s conspiracy hobbit at this point, fresh from the Appalachian Shire but inexorably drawn by the burning crypto rings of Silicon Valley to eventually land at the feet of Sauron to meet his fate. 

But to answer this question and examine where JD Vance fits into the conspirituality landscape, we’ll be breaking down a speech recently released by ProPublica. It’s from an intimate invitation-only conservative event hosted in 2021 by a group called the Teneo Network. Behind closed doors, Vance encouraged his audience to get away from that weird feeling in their chests when listening to the unique truths of conspiracy theorists. Like, Alex Jones sees the world more clearly than MSNBC's Rachel Maddow. The right also apparently needs more oligarchs. Oh, and the literal Devil is at work in the world around us.

J.D. Vance Speaks at a Private Teneo Network Event, Sept. 2021

Inside the “Private and Confidential” Conservative Group That Promises to “Crush Liberal Dominance”

How Lord of the Rings Shaped JD Vance’s Politics

The Influences on JD Vance’s Political Philosophy

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Project 2025's plan for workers is clear: crush unions, eliminate minority protections, curtail reproductive health care benefits, and make the workplace biblical again.

Derek and Julian unpack the details of another insane chapter from Project 2025's 920-page manifesto that describes their vision for the reduced rights of the working class. According to their own statements, a Trump presidency would set these and other disastrous plans in motion from day one.

Show Notes

Conspirituality 187: Project 2025: An Authoritarian Conspiracy

Project 2025's Disdain for Public Education

The GOP Thinks Food Stamps Are the Real Problem

The GOP Takeover of Media

The Plan to Dismantle Health Care

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We cover conspiracy theories, spiritual abuse, and religious and right-wing extremism. We cover showmen and charismatics suffering from King Victim Complex. Last week we had to study a goddam assassination attempt. 

But sometimes we get to peek into the worlds that younger people are making within our cursed digital environments, and we realize they might be laughing at some of the problems that fill us olds with despair right out of existence. 

Gaming journalist and Master of Divinity Riley MacLeod joins Matthew to talk about whether the hit indie game Cult of the Lamb might be all the inoculation against cultic dynamics that generation Alpha ever needs. 

Show Notes

Riley MacLeod - Aftermath

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Two landmark Supreme Court decisions—the Trump immunity case and the overturning of the Chevron doctrine—represent the legal institutionalization of the core values of conspirituality: self-sovereignty, natural immunity or divine protection, and “doing your own research.” 

The attempted assassination on the former president forged the essence of these two rulings into a stunning still life of Trump’s image for those who love him and those he’s appointed to serve him. 

Julian and Matthew wade into the flood, and what might happen at ground zero of conspiracy theory formation—this time veering left as well as right.

Show Notes

Former classmate of Trump rally gunman says he was ‘bullied almost every day’ 

The FBI Identifies Suspected Gunman in Trump Rally Shooting: What to Know - The New York Times

FBI identifies Thomas Crooks of Bethel Park as the suspect in Trump assassination attempt

FBI probing motives, background of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the Western Pa. gunman behind Donald Trump assassination attempt 

A shooting range, a gun store, and a ladder purchase: Tracking the Trump rally gunman's movements leading up to his attack 

Trump rewrites Republican convention speech to focus on unity not Biden - Washington Examiner  

Vance shooting response: https://x.com/JDVance1/status/1812280973628965109 

Musk shooting response: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1812256998588662068 

Rubio shooting response: https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1812256529296613657 

Boebert shooting response: https://x.com/KyleClark/status/1812316469016846373 

Brief: The Theatre of Trump (w/Hank Willenbrink) — Conspirituality  

23-939 Trump v. United States (07/01/2024)

Clarence Thomas Raised Another Issue: Was Jack Smith Legally Appointed? - The New York Times 

22-451 Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo (06/28/2024)

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Project 2025's approach to environmental issues is pretty straightforward: deny climate science, dismantle the EPA, clear a path that prioritizes corporate profits, and let the world burn.

Derek and Julian unpack the details on the chilling chapter from Project 2025's 920-page manifesto that outlines their plans for the Environmental Protection Agency. According to their own statements, a Trump presidency would set these and other disastrous plans in motion from day one.

Show Notes

Conspirituality 187: Project 2025: An Authoritarian Conspiracy

Project 2025's Disdain for Public Education

The GOP Thinks Food Stamps Are the Real Problem

The GOP Takeover of Media

The Plan to Dismantle Health Care

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While speaking on Steve Bannon’s podcast, The War Room, Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts recently stated, “We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless—if the left allows it to be.” 

Roberts is the mastermind behind Project 2025, Heritage’s 920-page “presidential transition” agenda that seeks to implement authoritarian power in America. The text combines the anti-regulatory stance of libertarianism, laissez faire capitalism on steroids as espoused by conservatives, and the heinous and anti-democratic religious dogma of Christian nationalists, and it’s finally receiving a lot of attention.

Derek and Julian look beyond the “bloodless” comment to hear what else Roberts and crew have in store for America should Donald Trump regain the presidency. As you might imagine, it has nothing to do with democracy.

Show Notes

Taraji P Henson Calls Out Project 2025 at BET Awards

‘Complete and utter B.S.’: Trump DEFINITELY knows his own team authoring Project 2025

Kevin Roberts on The War Room

Conspirituality 187: Project 2025: An Authoritarian Conspiracy

Project 2025's Disdain for Public Education

The GOP Thinks Food Stamps Are the Real Problem

The GOP Takeover of Media

The Plan to Dismantle Health Care

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