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Two veterans of the Central Intelligence Agency, Marc Polymeropoulos and John Sipher discuss issues from the recent intel leak to new reports of Russian spies trying to manipulate U.S. political outcomes to identify looming risks and what needs to be done about them. The wide ranging and fascinating discussion takes us from Afghanistan to a diner in Vienna, Virginia to give you a perspective on the real world of spies and spying you won't get anywhere else. Join us.

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On this episode of DSR, we discuss three immense stories making headlines this week, all of which have major Main Street consequences and global ramifications. First we look at the state of the economy following meetings in DC of the worlds finance and economic leaders. Then, we discuss the consequences of India passing China to be the world's most populous nation. Finally, a look at China's push to become a nuclear weapons superpower and what that may mean both globally and in terms of China's own internal growth and stability. A great conversation with David Sanger of the New York Times and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Don't miss it.

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In light of the recent intelligence documents leaks, we bring you this episode from the DSR archive.

The summer may be winding down but the legal pressure on Trump continues to be mounting. The Affidavit for the Search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago was released and his lawyers continue to act erratically. David Rothkopf talks with Mark Zaid of Mark Zaid PC, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and David Sanger of the New York Times to make sense of these developments and what they mean for the future of pursuing justice against Donald Trump. What more do we know about what was seized by the police? Can Trump's lawyers actually defend him? Is this the last straw from Trump? Find out in this thoughtful discussion. Join us!

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In light of this week's conversations around the Supreme Court, we bring you this episode from last year in our "From the Silo Series."

This week, the Supreme Court issued a ruling making it easier to carry a firearm in public, which broke during the taping of this episode. And since we taped, Roe versus Wade was officially overturned. Norm Ornstein and Dr. Kavita Patel try to make sense of it all on the latest episode of Words Matter.

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Published 2023-04-13

A Stage 4 Cancer on Our Democracy

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It is bad enough the Supreme Court has been transformed from the central pillar of our justice system into a mood ring reflective the shifting views of the extreme right. But the damage that has been done to our legal system and our democracy at large now is visible at every level of the courts, state legislatures and in our Congress. We don't often connect the dots to see how serious the decay has been...but in this special one-on-one conversation with Dahlia Lithwick that's exactly what we do. It is a must-listen episode of Deep State Radio. Join us.

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Published 2023-04-12

Does the US Need Superpower Viagra?

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France's President Macron goes to China and succumbs to the charms of Xi Jinping. He leaves spouting Chinese talking points and seeking to split Europe's China stance away from that of the US. Is this a harbinger of things to come in the global competition between China and the US? How can Washington remain attractive to the world? Also: A discussion of the recent secret documents leak and what it means. Join David Sanger, Rosa Brooks and David Rothkopf for this latest episode of DSR.

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Last week was a significant one for the House Impeachment Inquiry. On Thursday the House of Representatives voted 232-196 to approve rules and move forward with the impeachment inquiry into President Trump’s conduct.


The vote was mostly along party lines with all the Republicans voting against joined by two Democrats from districts Trump won in 2016.

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In light of the recent indictment of Donald Trump, we're bringing you this special episode from the archive about his impeachment.

On this special episode of Deep State Radio, coinciding with the official beginning of the House Judiciary Committee's Impeachment Hearings, we discuss the case against Trump in the context of history. Our guests are impeachment historian Frank Bowman of the University of Missouri and Ryan Goodman, NYU Law School professor and co-editor at "Just Security." Are the Democrats making a mistake by focusing on bribery? Did the GOP make any good points in their counter-arguments as the hearings kicked off. Where do we go from here? Can Chief Justice Roberts keep the Senate trial from being a kangaroo court or do Senate rules hamstring him and is the outcome inevitable? It's a lively, vital discussion that is not to be missed. Join us.

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Note: This podcast was taped prior to the announced indictments of Donald Trump. The absence of real indictments against Donald Trump allows him to set the narrative. That's not a good thing. So maybe prosecutors should consider drinking a little more Red Bull, having a few more cups of coffee. This is getting ridiculous. We discuss with Dr. Kavita Patel, Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf. We also discuss who will be the GOP candidate for president when Trump and DeSantis flame out. And we consider the imponderable: Why is George Santos still a member of Congress.

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Published 2023-04-05

Who is America's Most Annoying Ally?

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All friends are not allies and all allies are not friends. Sometimes countries that start out as allies stop behaving in an ally like way. And sometimes allies become annoying because their prime minister is too good looking. We list some of America's most annoying allies...and discuss why we're a pretty annoying ally ourselves. Join Rosa Brooks, Kori Schake, Ed Luce and David Sanger for this lively, timely discussion.

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This week, host Michael Weiss sits down with Sir Lawrence Freedman, Emeritus Professor of War Studies at Kings College, London and author of a new book, “Command: The Politics of Military Operations from Korea to Ukraine,” to discuss the latest in the Ukraine War. Sir Lawrence has written numerous articles about war strategy in general and his commentary and analysis on the war in Ukraine has been highly sought after. Don’t miss this insightful conversation.

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Donald Trump has been indicted, though the details of the case won’t likely be known until Tuesday of next week when Trump is scheduled to appear in court. Host David Rothkopf is joined by Edward Luce of the Financial Times and Allison Gill of the Daily Beans Podcast to discuss what we know and what we think could happen. Don’t miss this special episode.

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In the wake of yet another tragic mass shooting--and we're averaging two per day this year in the US--Americans are again asking the question what can be done. The response of the GOP: "Nothing." That's their plan and it has worked so far to make the U.S. a very dangerous place. So what can we do to help combat this national gun pathology? On this episode of "Words Matter" Dr. Kavita Patel, Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf discuss. Don't miss it.

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Celebrating democracy seems like a good idea. Further, President Biden and his team have been actively supporting democracy worldwide since they took office. But that doesn't mean hosting a democracy summit is a great idea. Because a lot of difficult questions are raised. Like who thinks they're a democracy but really isn't? What do you do with wannabe authoritarians like Netanyahu, Modi & Lopez Obrador? And what long term results can come from these summits. We discuss with Kori Schake, Rosa Brooks and Ed Luce. Join us.

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In this special episode of DSR, we speak with Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass) about a wide range of recent events. From the shooting in Nashville and why Congress remains inert in its response to the gun threat to his views on continuing U.S. security concerns in the Middle East in light of his service during the Iraq War as a U.S. Marine officer. We also discuss China and how we can address the threats it poses while avoiding a new Cold War. Don't miss this thoughtful and timely discussion. 

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On this special edition of DSR, former diplomat and advisor to Israeli leaders Alon Pinkas provides an insight from Israel into that country's current democracy crisis. He provides insights into the state of affairs at the moment and why the crisis that has brought hundreds of thousands of Israelis into the streets is far from over. He also discusses why this unprecedented Israeli drama is so directly relevant to the United States. Join Pinkas and host David Rothkopf for this in-depth and timely conversation.

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Originally Aired: August 18, 2022

The legal woes are mounting for Trump and his associates around the country. To analyze the latest legal news and its impact on the political landscape, David talks with Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas and Mara Rudman of the Center for American Progress. What can we expect now that the search of Mar-a-Lago is in the rearview mirror? Is Fulton County the most likely place for justice to find Donald Trump? Do voters care about any of this? David, Steve, and Mara discuss during this jam-packed episode. Join us!

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Originally Aired: July 22, 2022

The last January 6th committee hearing of the summer was held last night. David and Kavita brokedown what the hearing said and what work the committee has left to do in order to fulfill their mission with an all-star group of guests including E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post, Norm Eisen of the Brookings Institution, and former U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal. What surprised them about the hearing? What are the gaps that the committee still needs to fill? What could future hearings look like? Find out in this vital conversation.

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Trump promised that he would get arrested this week but that hasn't happened (yet). David talked with Dahlia Lithwick of Slate and Allison Gill of The Daily Beans about the status of the various cases against Trump. Is Trump headed to jail soon? Are we talking about all the cases wrong? Find out the answers to these questions and the future of justice during this engaging conversation. Join us!

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We hope you enjoy this episode from our friends at the None of the Above Podcast

We recently marked the one-year anniversary of Russia’s war in Ukraine. Many are wondering: how does this seemingly intractable conflict end? On Friday, the International Criminal Court issued a warrant for Vladimir Putin’s arrest. On Monday, Putin and Xi Jinping met to discuss China’s peace proposal for Ukraine. The United States and its allies in Europe continue to support Ukraine’s defense with military assistance and aid. Will any of this finally put an end to the war?

This week, the Eurasia Group Foundation’s Mark Hannah sits down with perhaps the best positioned person to answer this question: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark Milley. They dive into the causes of and potential ways to end the war, and also discuss: the prospect of US-China conflict, the technology shaping the future of war, and the national security risk posed by sharks.

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Chinese President Xi Jinping made a historic visit to Moscow this week to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin. David sat down with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Angela Stent of the Brookings Institution to discuss what this means for the war in Ukraine. What is the relationship like between China and Russia? How are other countries in East Asia responding? What should we expect moving forward? Find out the answers to these and other pressing issues during this timely discussion. Don't miss it!

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Published 2023-03-21

The China Question

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America's politicians have become more hawkish on China but is that the only path forward? David Rothkopf debates this issue with Dmitri Alperovitch of the Silverado Policy Accelerator and Josh Rogin of the Washington Post. Is China willing to compete and cooperate? How does Taiwan play into all of this? Can America not tilt completely into a militaristic framing of the competition? Find out during this argumentative conversation.

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This week Grant and Zoe talk with Charles Dunst about his new book "Defeating The Dictators: How Democracy Can Prevail In The Age Of The Strongman". Can democracies actually learn something from dictators? Are people more interested in economic well being or social ax-grinding? Find out during this exciting conversation.

 In our final segment Charles recommends The Cairo Trilogy: Palace Walk, Palace of Desire, Sugar Street, Grant rants about the breakability of stress balls, and Zoe discusses the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank.

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Published 2023-03-19

From The Silo - A Crisis of Character

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Originally Aired: February 21, 2018

America's problems extend far beyond Russiagate. In fact, they extend far beyond porn stars and having half the cabinet under investigation, failures in Puerto Rico and near nuclear war with North Korea. They include unprecedented levels of overt corruption in the White House...but perhaps worse for a system that depends on checks and balances, they go further to the fact that no one in Congress seeks to call out or stop that corruption. Or gun violence. Or the war on science. Or financial recklessness. Or any of the other ills that currently plague the U.S. How did we get here? Who's to blame? What's to be done? Tune in to find out. Or at least for therapeutic purposes.

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Originally Aired: May 17, 2021

The Biden Administration is working hard to maintain a fairly traditional front for US-Israel relations during the current crisis. Which is to say they are essentially following the playbook the Obama Administration would have followed (Trump's bromance with Bibi was an outlier). But times are changing, the views of Democrats are changing, the generational outlook is changing, and don't forget Bibi's bromance with Trump which did not help matters. We discuss what could trigger a change with former top Israeli diplomat and foreign policy specialist Alon Pinkas, the American Enterprise Institute's Kori Schake and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School. Don't miss it.

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Silicon Valley Bank collapsed in spectacular fashion last week but the Biden administration stepped in to save its depositors. Was that the right thing to do and what can prevent things like this happening in the future? Norm and Kavita discuss during this thoughtful conversation. Members get a bonus conversation about Ron DeSantis and his views about the war in Ukraine.

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There are a panoply of threats facing the United States and our allies from around the globe. In this episode, we focus on two of them. In the first segment, David talks with Charles Edel of CSIS about AUKUS and broad U.S.-Australia issues.  What actually is the AUKUS deal? Will it have an impact on the security situation in the Indo-pacific? Is Australia a more important ally than the United Kingdom? All these questions and more answered in this vital conversation. Members get treated to a second one-on-one between David and Michael Weiss of Yahoo News and the latest DSR Network Podcast "Foreign Office" about the Russian plot against Moldova. Become a member today to get access to that conversation.

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There is never a dull period for the Middle East. David and Rosa are joined by Alon Pinkus of Haaretz to discuss Iran and Saudi Arabia resuming diplomatic ties and the ongoing crisis in Israel. Do we anticipate big changes in the Middle East following this announcement? What does this say about America's role in the region? Is Israel in an (unwritten) constitutional crisis? All of this and more during this thoughtful discussion. Members get a bonus segment where David and Kim Ghattas, author of Black Wave, continue the conversation about the Saudi-Iran relationship.

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With the sudden collapse of Silicon Valley Bank, inflation around the world, and the rise of populism there is no better time to take a step back and look at democratic capitalism as a whole.  David and Ed Luce discussed with Martin Wolf author of the new book "The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism". Why is democratic capitalism at risk? How have media outlets like Fox News had an impact on the system as a whole? What should we make of the SVB bailout? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this enlightening discussion. Don't miss it.

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