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Italy elects its farthest right leader since Mussolini and Sweden also turns to the right. David Rothkopf brings together Rosa Brooks of Georgetown, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute to discuss these results, Kori's trip to Ukraine, and her recent New York Times Op-Ed. Why has Europe recently elected conservative leaders? What did Kori learn from her trip? Is Biden's foreign policy too cautious? Find out on during this expert conversation. Join us!

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The Queen is dead and Brexit lives on. Grant and Zoe talk with Scott Bade of the Eurasia Group about how these changes will impact the United Kingdom and elsewhere.

In our all podcast final segment, Zoe talks about Patagonia and the Climate, Scott talks about Space Policy, and Grant talks about a variety of border clashes.

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This episode originally aired on 8/6/21

Slowly, thanks to Congressional information requests and court cases, hard evidence is emerging about the way the former president and those close to him worked to steal the last election. You would think that would lead to grand juries being empaneled, indictments and convictions. But so far, nothing of the kind seems imminent from the Department of Justice and while Congress has on-going investigations real concrete progress seems distant. Where does that leave us? We discuss with Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution. It's a pretty tough discussion to hear...but you need to hear it.

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Has the Republican party always been like this or is Trump an aborreation? That is the core question in the new book by David Corn "American Psychosis: A Historical Investigation of How the Republican Party Went Crazy". Have the Republicans always played footsie with the far right? What resonances does our current moment have with the past? What is the original sin of the Republican Party? Find out in this thoughtful conversation. Join us!

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The lawyers around Donald Trump have helped him carry out his corruption for years. David Enrich gets to the bottom of this in his new book "Servants of the Damned: Giant Law Firms, Donald Trump, and the Corruption of Justice". What does David make of the latest Trump legal news? What is the importance of Jones Day to the ascendance of Trump and his administration? How did Jones Day serve as a refuge for former Trump administration officials? Find out in this insightful conversation. Don't miss it!

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Queen Elizabeth II's funeral was today. To talk about her life, legacy, and the impact of her reign of international relations David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Clive Priddle of PublicAffairs. What makes this more than a celebrity news story? Do nations need symbols like Monarchs?  Find out the answer to these and more questions in this timely conversation.

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There are 56 days until the midterm election. To analyze the state of the race, David Rothkopf spoke with Simon Rosenberg of NDN. Do the Democrats have a chance to hold both chambers of Congress? What is the right message that will resonate with voters? Is passion on the side of Democrats? The answers to these and other pressing questions during this insightful conversation. Don't miss it!

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Ukraine has begun a massive counteroffensive which has shocked many by how effective it has been. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University sits in for David Rothkopf to talk with Ed Luce of the Financial Times and David Sanger of the New York Times about the news and what is means about the future of Russia. What is going on in Ukraine? How are these setbacks being viewed in Russia? Where is China in all of this? Find out in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it!

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Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom died earlier today at the age of 96. She reigned over the United Kingdom and the broader commonwealth for more than 70 years. David marks this occasion with Ed Luce of the Financial Times. How should we think about the legacy of one of the world's longest reigning Monarchs? Is the Monarchy in the United Kingdom in danger of falling? Will Charles be able to succeed her? Find out the answers to these and other questions during this historic episode. Join us!

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Liz Truss is the latest Prime Minister in the United Kingdom but how will she do? David discusses with Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Clive Priddle of Public Affairs. How did she win the leadership race? Will she be a marked difference from Boris Johnson? Will she make it through the year? Find out in this timely and insightful conversation. Join us!

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Trump treats Republican elected officials poorly and yet they refuse to stand up to him. Chronicling this tortuous relationship is Mark Leibovich in his new book "Thank You for Your Servitude: Donald Trump's Washington and the Price of Submission". Why can't Republican elected officials quit Trump? What is Trump's appeal to the average voter? What happened when the Trump International Hotel was the center of gravity in Washington? David Rothkopf explores these and other questions with Mark Leibovich during this thought-provoking conversation. Don't miss it!

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The summer may be winding down but the legal pressure on Trump continues to be mounting. The Affidavit for the Search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago was released and his lawyers continue to act erratically. David Rothkopf talks with Mark Zaid of Mark Zaid PC, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and David Sanger of the New York Times to make sense of these developments and what they mean for the future of pursuing justice against Donald Trump. What more do we know about what was seized by the police? Can Trump's lawyers actually defend him? Is this the last straw from Trump? Find out in this thoughtful discussion. Join us!

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This week DSR is taking a break but we hope you enjoy one of the latest shows on the DSR Network. Words Matter with Norm Ornstein and Dr. Kavita Patel

Each week, Norm Ornstein and Kavita Patel talk about the issues facing our country as we head into the midterms and what our leaders are saying and doing about them. We hope you like the show and we'd love to hear your feedback. If you have any comments feel free to send us an email at podcasts@thedsrnetwork.com.

On this week's episode, we talk about Liz Cheney's defeat, the senate race in pennsylvania, and we get the view from Chautauqua. You won't want to miss it!

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There seems to be no end in sight for the GOP's movement towards radicalism but where did it start? That is the core question of Dana Milbank's new book "The Destructionists: The Twenty-Five Year Crack-Up of the Republican Party". Is Newt Gingrich the beginning of everything? What role does the media have to plan in this? How is the language used by Republicans working to divide the country? David Rothkopf explores these and other questions with Dana Milbank during this vital conversation. Don't miss it!

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With Ukraine's Independence Day on the horizon, David talks with Rosa Brooks of the Georgetown University; Ed Luce of the Financial Times; and Doug Lute, Former United States Permanent Representative to NATO about the current state of the war and what to expect in the coming months. Is the U.S. on the verge of another massive investment in Ukraine's military? Can western unity survive a cold European winter? Should we be worried about another conflict breaking out on the continent? Find out in this thoughtful episode. Join us!

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The legal woes are mounting for Trump and his associates around the country. To analyze the latest legal news and its impact on the political landscape, David talks with Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas and Mara Rudman of the Center for American Progress. What can we expect now that the search of Mar-a-Lago is in the rearview mirror? Is Fulton County the most likely place for justice to find Donald Trump? Do voters care about any of this? David, Steve, and Mara discuss during this jam-packed episode. Join us!

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China and Russia are dominating the conversation in Washington but what does "great power competition" actually mean? That is a core question of Ali Wyne's new book "America's Great-Power Opportunity: Revitalizing U.S. Foreign Policy to Meet the Challenges of Strategic Competition". Is great power competition a good way of thinking about how the U.S. should respond to China and Russia? Are China and Russia self-limiting powers? Is the Biden administration competing with Russia and China effectively? David Rothkopf explores these and other questions with Ali Wyne in this insightful episode. Don't miss it!

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Mar-a-Lago was searched for classified national security documents. David Rothkopf discusses the implications of this for our national security with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and Joe Cirincione. Is this just another nothingburger? Will America come apart at the seams? How much of a threat is the GOP to America's national security? Find out in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it.

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A search was carried out of Mar-a-Lago this week and it has upended the usually sleepy August in Washington. To talk about the search, Trump's pleading the fifth, and a variety of other developments David and Kavita are joined by EJ Dionne and Max Boot both of the Washington Post. Is the GOP now fully Trumpified? How much legal jeopardy is Trump in at this point? Are Biden's recent legislative wins going to have any impact on the country's perception of him? Find out in this wide-ranging episode. Don't miss it.

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The war in Ukraine has been going on for almost six months. To get the latest news about the war and predictions about what comes next, David Rothkopf spoke with Mark Hertling formerly of the United States Army Europe and the Seventh Army; David Sanger of the New York Times; and Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine. What is the current status on the ground in Ukraine? How has the U.S. response evolved as the war has continued? How long can Russia sustain the war? Find out on this very thorough episode. Join us!

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Since the last January 6th hearing, we have learned a significant amount about the events around January 6th. To discuss these updates, David and Kavita Patel talk with Allison Gill of the Daily Beans podcast and Frank Figliuzzi of NBC and MSNBC. What do we know now about the deletion of texts around January 6th by the Secret Service and others? How does the trail of Alex Jones play into this? Will Trump finally face justice? Find out in this deep conversation. Don't miss it! 

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Nancy Pelosi has touched down in Taiwan and thrown the U.S.-China relationship into tumult. David sits down with Graham Allison of Harvard University, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and David Sanger of the New York Times to discuss the trip and its impact on the future of Taiwan and U.S.-China relations. Should Nancy Pelosi have gone to Taiwan? How big a strain will this actually put on the relationship between the U.S. and China? Is strategic ambiguity dead or alive? Find out in this vital conversation. Join us!

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Olivia Troye was a senior advisor to Vice President Mike Pence. She was an early voice speaking out against Trump Administration abuses. She has attended many of the January 6 Committee hearings. On this special episode of DSR, Dr. Kavita Patel and David Rothkopf speak with Troye about the progress of the hearings to date and where the Department of Justice should be looking next. A must listen episode.

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Deep State Radio turned five this year! To celebrate we got the band back together. So this week David Rothkopf spoke with Rosa Brooks, Ed Luce, David Sanger, and Kori Schake. What has surprised them in the last five years? What lessons should we take forward into the next five? What predictions do they have for the future? Find out during this anniversary show! Don't miss it.

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The last January 6th committee hearing of the summer was held last night. David and Kavita brokedown what the hearing said and what work the committee has left to do in order to fulfill their mission with an all-star group of guests including E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post, Norm Eisen of the Brookings Institution, and former U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal. What surprised them about the hearing? What are the gaps that the committee still needs to fill? What could future hearings look like? Find out in this vital conversation.

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President Biden just returned from the Middle East but how successful was the trip? David breaks down the trip with Kim Ghattas of the Atlantic, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Rosa Brooks of the Georgetown University. What should we make of Biden's fistbump with MBS? Were the tradeoffs of the trip worth it? What comes next for Biden's globe-hopping? Find out the answer to these and other pressing foreign policy issues during this fascinating episode. Join us.

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This week the January 6th committee held another public hearing. David sits down with Ryan Goodman of NYU and Greg Sargent of the Washington Post to discuss what we know now and what comes next in the search for justice for the perpetrators of January 6th. Halfway around the world Joe Biden is on a trip to the Middle East which is testing his diplomatic skills and his commitment to his framing of foreign policy as autocracy vs. democracy. For members, David caught up with David Sanger of the New York Times who is on the trip with Biden to discuss how the trip is going so far and the next stop for the President. Join us!

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Boris Johnson has resigned as Conservative Party leader and has an end date set for his time in 10 Downing Street. David Rothkopf talks with Clive Priddle of PublicAffairs and Max Bergmann of CSIS about the resignation and what it tells us about the future of populists across the globe. Would Johnson have left if it weren't for inflation? What comes next for the conservatives? Are populists on the run across the globe? Find out during is fascinating episode. Don't miss it!

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The January 6th committee has come a long way but what comes next? David Rothkopf talks with Barb McQuade of Michigan Law and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas about the latest on the case against Trump. What more work does the January 6th committee need to accomplish? Will the Fulton County case go anywhere? How should we think justice when the Supreme Court seems so unjust? All the answers to these questions and more during this episode. Join us! 

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President Biden is racking up wins at the NATO Summit but they are not resonating at home. David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks, Ed Luce, and David Sanger about the NATO summit, the topics dominating the domestic conversation, and where we are in the war in Ukraine. What happened at the NATO Summit in Madrid? Why aren't Biden's foreign policy successes breaking through? Will the Ukraine war ever end? Find out during this wide-ranging episode. Don't miss it!

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Before heading off to celebrate July 4th, David, Kavita, Chris Cotnoir, and Grant Haver talk about a very busy work in domestic policy. The Supreme Court taking away the right to choose and limiting the powers of the EPA; Cassidy Hutchinson's gamechaning testimony; and the continued threat posed to Democracy. What will we be talking about during our respective barbeques? How concerned should we be about the future of this Supreme Court? Should Kamala Harris be the President in 2024? Find out during this exciting episode. Join us!

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Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony in front of the January 6th committee was explosive. David breaks down all of the new facts we learned about the President and Mark Meadows in the lead up to January 6th with Harry Litman of the Talking Feds Podcast, Dahlia Lithwick of Slate, and Norm Ornstein of the Words Matter Podcast. What was the most damning fact that Hutchinson brought to light? Will the testimony change anything? Is Trump finally in the sights of the Department of Justice? Find out during this far reaching episode. Join us!

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Earlier today, the Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 to limit the ability of state and local governments to restrict guns outside the home. When asked about the decision, President Biden said, “I think it’s a bad decision, I’m disappointed.” Our panel consisting of Norm Ornstein, Dr. Kavita Patel and host, David Rothkopf called Biden's response, "weak sauce." They discuss this decision, another ruling by the Supreme Court limiting the ability to enforce Miranda Rights and what all this could mean for the 2022 midterms and beyond on the latest episode of Deep State Radio.

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On this episode of Deep State Radio, David Rothkopf is joined by Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. They discuss the latest testimony from the January 6th hearings with a particular focus on whether or not there has been enough evidence to bring charges against the former president as well as whether the Attorney General would even consider taking the case. You can read Ed Luce's piece on the subject in in the Financial Times as a primer for this episode. Don't miss it.

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The January 6th committee hearings have unearthed significant new facts around the coup attempt. David Rothkopf unpacks the latest news from the hearing with Harry Litman of the Talking Feds podcast, Dahlia Lithwick of Slate, and EJ Dionne of the Washington Post. How close were we to the death of a major political figure? Will the new footage of the day penetrate the mainstream news and reach Americans? Is the DOJ on the verge of actually indicting any of the ring leaders of the coup? All these answers and more on this vital episode. Don't miss it.

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President Biden is headed to Saudi Arabia and will meet with Mohammed bin Salman. Is this the end for the "Democracy vs. Autocracy" framing of America's foreign policy. David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Ed Luce of the Financial Times about this and other foreign policy issues facing the Biden Administration. Should Biden be having this meeting at all? Will it do anything to tame gas prices ahead of the midterm? Is there any way to keep the moral clarity of Biden's "Democracy vs. Autocracy" framing while working in a messy world? The answer to these and other vital questions facing the Biden Administration during this far-ranging episode. Join us!

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On Thursday, the January 6th committee held its first televised committee hearing in more than a year. The hearing brought to light many new revelations about how dark that day was and how long it had been planned. In order to make sense of the hearing and discuss what will come of it, David Rothkopf spoke with Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute and Harry Litman of the Talking Feds podcast. What impact will the hearing have? Will it light a fire under the Justice Department? Will any of the new facts change the mind of a hyper-partisan public? All these questions and more answered during this insightful conversation. Don't miss it.

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Global Health Emergencies, Transformative Climate Change, and the AI revolution are all staring the world in the face but global leadership seems nowhere to be found. David Rothkopf talks about these issues with Ian Bremmer whose new book "The Power of Crisis: How Three Threats – and Our Response – Will Change the World" covers these topics. Have we effectively defined our problems? Do we need a crisis to shift our thinking on the problems that face us? How has the decentralization of power change the way the policy conversation happens at a global level? Find out in this thought-provoking episode. Join us.

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The war in Ukraine has moved beyond the 100 day mark and the media has begun to lose interest. However, the conflict is far from done. David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Mark Hertling formerly of the U.S. Army, and Tom Nichols of The Atlantic about where we find ourselves now and what might come next. Is Macron or Zelensky right? Should America continue to arm Ukrainians? How deeply has Putin deluded himself? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions as we enter a new phase in the conflict. Don't miss it!

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We are a week away from the first public hearing of the January 6th committee in almost a year and the Supreme Court is about to finalize rulings on a variety of hot button issues. To survey the legal landscape, David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel talk with Joyce White Vance of the University of Alabama and Barb McQuade of the University of Michigan. What should we expect out of the January 6th committee? What happened with the Durham investigations?? Is the Supreme Court about to put even more guns on our streets? Find out the answer to these and other pressing legal questions on this prescient episode. Join us!

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Europe is banning Russian Oil, mostly, and Ukraine has battled Russia to a standstill. David Rothkopf talks with Angela Stent of Georgetown, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Ed Luce of the Financial Times about the latest news coming out of the conflict and what comes next. Will Ukraine be able to sustain their fight? Will the West be able to keep their attention on the war? What should we make of the recent news about sanctions and arms transfers in Europe? The answer to these questions and more on this thoughtful episode. Don't miss it!

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Yet another mass shooting has taken place in the United States and this time it was at an elementary school. Yet, the government continues to do nothing. In this special double episode, David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel talk with Laurie Garrett about the shooting in Texas as a public health crisis and then later are joined by Mary McCord of Georgetown University to talk about potential legal responses to mass shootings. What can public health tools reveal about the epidemic of mass shootings happening in the United States? How has the growth of conspiracy theories impacted these shootings and public health more broadly? What can we do to stop the violence? The answer to these vitally important questions in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it.

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The United States seems at a breaking point. Election denialists, conspiracy theories, and extreme partisanship are straining the American institutions. Yascha Mounk's new book "The Great Experiment: Why Diverse Democracies Fall Apart and How They Can Endure" dives into what causes these problems and what might be done to fix it. How pessimistic should we be for the future of American democracy? What is the impact of urbanization on polarization? Can classical liberalism be the answer? The answers to these and other questions facing democracy in America and around the world in this thought-provoking conversation. Join us.

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President Biden is in Asia to coordinate with allies in the Quad and he also may have put the end to strategic ambiguity with regards to Taiwan. In this episode, David Rothkopf is joined by Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the financial times, and Sheila Smith of the Council on Foreign Relations breakdown the takeaways from the trip and what comes next for the U.S. in Asia. What should we make of the back and forth over whether the U.S. will defend Taiwan? What are the key takeaways from Biden's meetings with his Quad counterparts? What would a good U.S.-China policy framework actually look like? These answer to these questions and more on this timely episode. Don't miss it!

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Check out the newest podcast on The DSR Network focused on uplifting the voices of young and diverse national security and foreign policy expert as well as issues that might be off the beaten track.

In this episode, Grant and Zoe were joined by Katie Howland, a Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) transparency activist. They discuss the history of UAP, why there is sudden interest from Capitol Hill and the media, and what we should be looking out for in the coming months and years.

In the final segment, Katie talks about the rash of new anti-LGBTQ legislation, Zoe highlights an article about the mental impact on military drone operators, and Grant recommends Friends at the Table.

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There is a significant amount of doom and gloom in the air when it comes to Democrats chances in the midterms; inflation, baby formula shortages, the latest COVID surge, monkeypox, and the war in Ukraine to say nothing of historical trends are giving Democratic strategists nightmares. But on this episode, David Rothkopf, Kavita Patel, Simon Rosenberg of NDN, and EJ Dionne of the Washington Post provide some hope and advice for the path forward. What should we make of the primary elections on Tuesday? How should Democrats frame the issues facing Americans? Are the polls actually as bad as pundits are claiming? Find out on this uplifting episode. Join us!

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Bill Browder has been on a crusade against corruption in Russia since before he was labeled a "threat to national security" by Putin's regime. In his latest book, "Freezing Order: A True Story of Russian Money Laundering, State-Sponsored Murder,and Surviving Vladimir Putin's Wrath", Bill discusses the time period after the passage of the Magnitsky act and what else needs to be done to fight corruption in between stories of his real life being targeted by Putin and his oligarchs. David Rothkopf explores these issues as well as the chances of Putin's ouster, the impact of the war in Ukraine on the fight against corruption, and what more should be done in this thoughtful episode. Don't miss it.

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As the war continues in Ukraine, Putin is looking worse for the wear. David Rothkopf speaks with Andrea Kendall-Taylor of the Center for a New American Security, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine. Does Vladimir Putin have cancer? What would happen if Putin left office? Is Turkey about to veto Finland and Sweden joining NATO? Find out on this informative and entertaining episode. Join us!

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Leaks from the Court, protests outside of the homes of Justices, and the political maelstrom generated for turning back the clock on reproductive rights has shaken the Supreme Court. David Rothkopf talks with Harry Litman of Talking Feds and Katie Barlow of SCOTUSBlog about these updates and the future of the court. Where are we headed? How turbulent are things likely to get? What are seismic changes can we expect from the court? Find out during this thought-provoking episode. Don't miss it.

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In his latest book, "Overcoming Trumpery: How to Restore Ethics, the Rule of Law, and Democracy Norm Eisen", Norm Eisen lays out the unique characteristics that made up Trump's governmenance and what we can do to prevent them in the future. David Rothkopf explores these issues and how, unfortunately, the Trumpery did not end when Trump left office. What are the seven deadly sins of Trumpery? How are Justice Alito and Ron DeSantis using the same playbook as Trump? Is there any hope for accountability from Trumpery? Find out in excellent conversation. Join us!

Links for your consideration:

Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/02/norm-eisen-how-overcome-trumpery-book/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=wp_opinions

New York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/02/opinion/trump-georgia-fulton-county.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion

Slate - https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/samuel-alito-and-donald-trump-end-roe.html

The Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/28/the-trumpian-right-keeps-pushing-rule-of-law-to-the-brink-but-the-law-is-winning

CNN - https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/opinions/trumpery-oz-walker-2022-election-eisen-galliher/index.html

Newsweek - https://www.newsweek.com/alito-supreme-court-abortion-eisen-trump-1704519

The Seven Deadly Sins of Trumpery - https://twitter.com/NormEisen/status/1524110953259974657

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