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While Trumpists may have celebrated that the disgraced former president was not convicted by the Senate and the Senators who voted to convict have been attacked for their show of conscience, the reality is that Trump's legal prospects are not good. Mitch McConnell, his one time ally, called for his prosecution. Multiple cases in which he is a target are under way--in NY, Atlanta, and Washington DC. A commission is being called to investigate the January 6th insurgency. We discuss where these may lead and how the GOP may handle the consequences with former Trump Admin senior staffer Olivia Troye and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security." Don't miss it.

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In the latest in our "Ask the Blob" series (see links below for more about the name), host David Rothkopf is joined by Juliette Kayyem and Clint Watts (Bios Below). They discuss the rise of domestic terrorism and what can be done to combat it. They also answer the audience's questions on the subject. A very informative discussion not to be missed.

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Juliette Kayyem

Juliette Kayyem has spent the last two decades in both state and federal government managing complex policy initiatives and organizing government responses to major crises. She is a professor at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, where she is faculty chair of the Homeland Security and Security and Global Health Projects and a CNN National Security analyst. Previously, she served as President Obama's Assistant Secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, where she played a pivotal role in major operations responding to the BP Oil Spill and H1N1 pandemic. Juliette is the author of the 2016 bestselling book Security Mom: An Unclassified Guide to Protecting Our Homeland and Your Home.

Clint Watts

Clint Watts is a Distinguished Research Fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and Non-Resident Fellow at the Alliance for Securing Democracy. He is also a national security contributor for NBC News and MSNBC. His research and writing focuses on terrorism, counterterrorism, social media influence and Russian disinformation. He examined the rise of social media influence in his 2018 book Messing With The Enemy: Surviving in a Social Media World of Hackers, Terrorists, Russians and Fake News. Clint testified before four Senate committees in 2017 and 2018 regarding Russia’s information warfare campaign against the U.S. and the West. Clint previously served as a U.S. Army infantry officer, a FBI Special Agent, and as the Executive Officer of the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.

Trump Takes on The Blob - Politico

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Representative Ted Deutch (D-Florida) is chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Subcommittee on the Middle East, North Africa and Global Counterterrorism. He joined the podcast to discuss the promising first moves of the Biden foreign policy team with regard to international alliances, support for the international system, communication at home and abroad and with respect to the biggest issues in the Middle East from Iran to Israel, Saudi Arabia to Yemen. Don't miss this insightful discussion with one of Capitol Hill's foreign policy leaders on the big changes currently taking place in America's relationships with the world.

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For the second time in as many years, Donald Trump was acquitted by the Senate, this time for inciting insurrection. Even with the overwhelming evidence the impeachment managers brought forth, just 7 Republican Senators voted for conviction. Where does this leave us as a country? Is the U.S. strengthened or weakened in the eyes of our allies? We discuss this, the state of policing in America and more with guest host, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and David Sanger of the New York Times, calling in from his snow shoe excursion in Vermont. Don't miss this wide-ranging discussion.

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The House Impeachment managers proved beyond any reasonable doubt that Donald Trump incited an insurrection against the US government that resulted in six deaths over 140 injuries and profound damage to our democracy. Good as they were, we have to admit, it wasn't that tough to do because we all saw the events unfold. So, ensuring justice will be done should be easy, right? Not so fast. The Senate Kangaroo court you will remember from a year ago is back in session and most of the GOP simply do not care about facts or the law or the Constitution or the judgment of history. Which is why Trump will be acquitted. But...what then? What does it mean? Can other prosecutions follow? We discuss with former US Attorney Barb McQuade, NYU Law's Ryan Goodman and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution. We also include an update on a bunch of breaking COVID news with Kavita. So...don't miss this episode.

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The House Impeachment managers are meticulously making an irrefutable case against former President Trump and they are meeting very little resistance from Trump's almost comically inept defense team. But what then? What if the vast majority of GOP Senators vote to acquit? (As they will.) Where does the party go from here? What will the influence of the small but noticeable Sanity Caucus be going forward? We discuss with two noted, brilliant commentators, Max Boot of the Washington Post and David Frum of the Atlantic. They answer questions from host David Rothkopf and from an audience that joined the discussion as part of our new, weekly, "Ask the Blob" Webinar Series. Join us.

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Undoing the policies of our disgraced former president are the low hanging fruit for Biden foreign and national security policy. Allies can be prioritized, executive orders can be reversed, kow towing to foreign dictators can stop. But, what then? What will the Biden team attempt that is complicated or difficult or both? A new deal with iran? A coherent China policy? Pentagon reform? We discuss with David Sanger of the New York Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and author of the new book, "Tangled Up in Blue: Policing the American City." Don't miss it.

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MSNBC legal analyst Joyce Vance joins the podcast this week, and we discuss highly unrelated topics such as pet chickens and how necessary judicial reforms can create a more equitable legal system. Vance’s straight talk on the future of the Department of Justice and how current laws can handle domestic terrorism offers hope for the future. Cake helps, and Joyce and Marissa make a British Bake-Off-worthy coffee-pecan layer cake with praline topping.

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Has the GOP lost its mind? Or is its embrace and defense of lunatics, violent extremists, traitors, sex offenders, racists and the highly corrupt a shrewd, carefully considered political strategy? How should Democrats respond? How do they get accountability for abuses when the GOP absolutely refuses to go along? How do they achieve progress on healing our wounds when the other party actively wants to deepen them? And what kind of role will President Biden play in all this? What has he already shown us? We discuss with Dr. Kavita Patel, former top health advisor in the Obama White House, Rosa Brooks, professor at Georgetown Law School and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of "Just Security" and professor at NYU Law School. It's a great wide ranging conversation that you won't want to miss. Join us.

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This is a complex moment for America and for the world. It is a far cry from the euphoria of the immediate post-Cold War, tech boom era. But there were foreshadowings we would grapple with today's problems and three-time Pulitzer Prize Winner, NY Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman identified them more than two decades ago in his book "The Lexus and the Olive Tree." We talk with Tom about how we got from then to now and where potential answers to the challenges we face may lie...including why Joe Biden may be precisely the man the world and the US need in the Oval Office right now. It's a must-listen conversation. Join us.

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"The FBI Way" is a terrific new book from 25 year FBI veteran and MSNBC contributor Frank Figliuzzi. It details the values within the FBI that have enabled it to succeed so frequently in the past as well as discussing where mistakes have been made and how they have been remedied. The book is rich with stories many of which intersect with the headlines of the past few years. We discuss the book with Frank but also explore his views on the insurrection on Capitol Hill, on accountability, and on America's urgent need to pass a domestic terrorism law. It's a riveting discussion. Don't miss it.

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Imagine: A coup attempt in which the coup leaders justify taking power because of massive voter fraud. Or imagine a government using force against thousands of peaceful demonstrators. Now imagine that those things were not taking place in the US on behalf of America's disgraced former president but were instead happening in Myanmar and Russia. Suddenly, the new administration faces its first international challenges and if they are not precisely the same as threats posed recently in the US by the last administration, they rhyme. What to do? We discuss with Chicago Council on Global Affairs CEO Amb. Ivo Daalder, the American Enterprise Institute's Kori Schake and David Sanger of the New York Times. Join us.

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Today’s episode features Kavita Patel, practicing physician and former health and economics policy advisor in the Obama Administration. We talk pro-cookie baking tips and Covid, including the pros and cons of the available vaccines, the reality of our shared grief and what to say to someone who’s not wearing a mask. We also talk about more pleasant things, including that most pleasant thing of all: chocolate. Plus: We make whole-wheat oatmeal chocolate chip cookies that are packed with enough chocolate you won't know they're full of nutritious whole wheat flour.

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While some may look at the Trump coup attempt on January 6th as the last desperate act of the disgraced former president to remain in power, it is already being seen among white supremacist groups as a long expected signal of an escalation in domestic unrest leading to a civil war they have long planned and hoped for. The fact that Trump is likely to go unpunished for leading the January 6th effort and the Republican Party is taking a strong stand against accountability for that assault may only make matters worse. We discuss the case for Trump's conviction by the Senate, how we got to the 6th and what it augurs for the future with Elizabeth Neumann, Director of the Republican Accountability Project and former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of "Just Security" and professor of law at NYU Law School. Don't miss this chilling conversation.

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Senate "institutionalists" claim the filibuster is a traditional US Senate tool that produces compromise. Nope. It's a tool that was almost never used during the first 200 years of US history. And when it was used it was almost always used to promote a racist agenda. And now that it is used more often, it is used to obstruct and give disproportionate power to Republicans. The first step to eliminating it is understanding it and that is why we talk to veteran Senate staffer Adam Jentleson, author of an important new book "Kill Switch: The Rise of the Modern Senate and the Crippling of American Democracy." We discuss what has turned the U.S. Senate from "the world's greatest deliberative body to the place legislation goes to die" and how to fix it. Don't miss this timely conversation.

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While some Washington hot take artists are already predicting a backlash against Bidenism (and this even before the first dogs Major and Champ have had a chance to start chewing on the White House furniture), even observers who are disinclined to jumping to conclusions have noticed big changes in Joe Biden's Washington. Our experts--Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Edward Luce of the Financial Times--try to suss out the clues in the early actions of the new administration and what they portend for its political success, foreign policy, national security and other critical areas of concern. Don't miss it.

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Journalist and former advice columnist E. Jean Carroll joins this week’s episode and we dig straight into all the important issues, while also trying to recreate her favorite birthday cake from childhood. E. Jean, who brought a defamation lawsuit against former (!) President Donald Trump after accusing him of sexual assault, explains how Trump continues to get away with this behavior, and offers her life-affirming insights into the secret of advice columns, why you should stop apologizing and what it’s like to camp in the wilderness with the ultimate urbanite, Fran Lebowitz. Plus: Did we mention layer cake?

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The past two weeks are unlike any America has ever seen. In the midst of a national pandemic and economic crisis, we saw an unprecedented insurrection on Capitol Hill incited by our then president, an impeachment and then the inauguration of a new leader. On Capitol Hill it was a traumatic period of highs and lows. But it has left America shaken too and asking what's next. We discuss this with Rep. Veronica Escobar of Texas and Dr. Kavita Patel, former senior health advisor in the Obama White House. It's an extraordinary conversation and you won't want to miss it. Join us for this special episode.

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The past four years have left deep scars in the United States. Damage has been done. So can a new administration come in and restore America's role in the world overnight? Just because it wants to? Just because it has experienced senior officials leading the way? Just because the new US president is a foreign policy expert? The short and perhaps somewhat surprising answer is...yes. Yes, the changes will be big, swift and the world is already starting to notice. We discuss the whys and whos and hows of this with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Tom Nichols of the US Naval War College and David Sanger of the New York Times. Don't miss this discussion that kicks off a new era in US history. 

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Today's episode features a conversation with therapist and author of Too Much and Never Enough, Mary L. Trump. We make brownies -- because if warm brownies were needed any week, this was surely it. Mary, a psychologist who specializes in trauma and psychopathology, shares new insights into why Donald will never concede, how our traumatized nation can heal, and what Donald’s parents would think of their son as President. Listen as Mary and Marissa uncover the surprising reason President Trump has such an affinity for Russia. Plus: A great recipe for gluten-free double-chocolate brownies.

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We have never seen events like those that occurred on January 6. We have never had a president who posed the kind of threat to our security presented by Donald Trump. We are facing new challenges to our society and government associated with social media and widespread radicalization. How do we respond to these challenges? Who must be held accountable? We conducted a webinar with three experts--Asha Rangappa, former FBI Agent and currently a senior lecturer at Yale's Jackson Institute for Global Affairs, Harry Litman, former US Attorney and Deputy Assistant Attorney General, and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of Just Security and professor at NYU Law School. Our listeners asked them questions. You'll be interested in their answers. Join us. 

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Will it read "Donald Trump, only president in history to be impeached twice..." or "Donald Trump who presided over the end of American democracy and became it's first king..." or perhaps, "Donald Trump, former president and father of current President Ivanka Trump..?" This question and others about the impact of this week's impeachment vote were put to noted historian Heather Cox Richardson, political expert Norm Ornstein and the Financial Times' Edward Luce in this special episode of Deep State Radio. Join us.

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While Donald Trump richly deserved the two impeachments that have placed him in the history books, it is arguable that his greatest offenses and failures were associated with grotesque mismanagement of the COVID crisis. Where has that left us and what challenges does it present for the Biden Administration? We discuss with our two regular COVID experts Pultizer Prize winning author Laurie Garrett and former top Obama White House health policy advisor Dr. Kavita Patel. This is an essential listen. Join us.

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January 6, 2021 is a date few of us will ever forget. On that day, the president of the United States incited a mob to storm the U.S. Capitol. Five people died. Thousands more were terrorized. And now the nation holds its breath to see if the violence has been quelled or new chapters await. Donald Trump now seems certain to become the first president in U.S. history to be impeached twice and to forever be seen as the author of a failed coup attempt against the government he had sworn to protect and defend. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of AEI, Mieke Eoyang of Third Way and David Sanger of the New York Times join us to discuss the impact of the shocking events of the sixth and where we go from here. Don't miss it.

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In the midst of a pandemic, with almost 4000 people dying every day, when the nation should be coming together, the President of the United States once again tore it asunder. Worse, what he did was mobilize the first violent coup attempt in US history on the back of his months long seditious efforts to nullify the November election and steal the sovereign power of American voters. As it happens, he also did it on a week when the Democratic Party secured control of the US Senate, another development with seismic consequences in Washington. We discuss these events and their meaning with former Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams advisor Karen Finney, election law specialist Rick Hasen, former Obama health policy advisor Dr. Kavita Patel and NYU Law Professor and co-editor of "Just Security" Ryan Goodman. It's an important deep dive into the meaning behind the events of an extraordinary week. Join us.

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A divided US, the future consequences of the pandemic, inaction on climate change, growing tensions between the US and China, the year ahead holds substantial risks alongside its promise. Each year Eurasia Group puts together an outlook for those risks and on this special edition of Deep State Radio we discuss the 2021 list with Eurasia Group founder and CEO, noted commentator and author, Ian Bremmer. Don't miss this exploration of some of the biggest challenges the world is likely to face over the next 12 months. 

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As we look ahead to the new year, many of us hope to put the constant drama and sleaze and anxiety and pain of the Trump year's behind us. Many hoped that a steady establishment figure like Joe Biden would help to restore normalcy to American politics and to the world. Wouldn't it be nice to be bored with politics again? We asked our experts Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and David Sanger of the New York Times whether they thought they was likely. Their responses and their wide-ranging predictions for the US and for the world in the year ahead are the subject of this special New Year's edition of Deep State Radio. Don't miss it.

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Today's episode features a conversation with comedian Kathy Griffin. I tried to teach her to bake lemon bars and she tried to convince me she was too famous to have to know how to bake. But what she does do, brilliantly, is tell stories and the conversation we had while waiting for her lemon bars to come out of the oven is worth listening to. (The lemon bars are worth making too.)

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None of us have ever lived through a year like 2020. What are its lessons? What has it changed forever? And where will it lead in 2021? We bring together an extraordinary group to discuss these issues and the questions they are left with in a year-end special edition of Deep State Radio. Our guests include the author of "Evil Geniuses" Kurt Andersen, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Laurie Garrett, Harvard University specialist in emergency management Juliette Kayyem, former Obama White House Director of Health Policy Dr. Kavita Patel and co-editor of "Just Security" and professor at NYU Law School Ryan Goodman. Save some time on your schedule for this one. It's an important conversation.

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We have endured one of the most massive cyberattacks in history this year. While the US Secretary of State, Attorney General and the intelligence community attribute it to Russia, the president does not. When he has not been silent on it, he has been deflecting attention to the Chinese. All this means we can count on the Trump team doing very little in response to this attack. So the burden shifts to the incoming Biden team. They have no playbook to call upon as the Obama Administration also was not strong on these issues. A response is called for. What should it be? What will make us safer? We discuss with cyber experts David Sanger of the New York Times and Dmitri Alperovitch, former CTO of CrowdStrike. Don't miss this special edition.

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Donald Trump sat in the Oval Office this weekend discussing whether to send in US troops to declare martial law and nullify a legitimate election. The idea was rebuffed. Perhaps it's the last we'll hear of it. But looking back at the past four years it is clear that we had a president with strongman aspirations and they were far more successful than many imagined possible in the US. How do we respond to that so our system does not face another near death experience like we've just been through? We discuss with Ruth Ben-Ghiat, author of "Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present," Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Tune in for this thought provoking discussion.

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Joe Biden's cabinet will look more like America than any in our history. It will contain more women, more people of color, a wide range of ages, political perspectives and regional points of view. Does that matter? How? And what is still missing? We discuss and then we turn our attention to the latest developments in the COVID crisis, Trump's increasingly erratic behavior as his exit approaches and when, if ever, life may return to "normal." It's a conversation with our regulars Dr. Kavita Patel, former head of health policy in the Obama White House, and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of "Just Security" and professor at NYU Law School. You won't want to miss it.

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No president has ever entered the job with more foreign policy experience than Joe Biden, who has been playing a role at the highest levels of U.S. international affairs since 1972. Nonetheless, the world continues to rapidly change and the new president will be quickly presented with challenges none of his predecessors have faced. We know what some of those are--from COVID to the challenge of succeeding a president who refuses to exit the office gracefully. But the world certainly has others in store. We discuss how Biden and his team will respond to them with someone in a unique position to know, long-time Biden advisor and friend Tom Donilon, who served as national security advisor to President Obama. Ed Luce of the Financial Times and host David Rothkopf pose the questions on this must listen special edition of DSR.

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Donald Trump was the worst president in US history. About that, at this point, there can be no doubt. One measure of the disaster he has been is the damage he has done to US foreign policy. Fortunately for the United States, the next president is coming into office with more foreign policy experience than any president since George H.W. Bush...and arguably considerably more than even Bush. And his first-rate team has long-experience with one another and are ready to hit the ground running as of day one. The question is: What should their priorities be? We discuss with former US Under Secretary of State Ambassador Nicholas Burns of Harvard's Kennedy School, Mieke Eoyang, who runs national security programs at the Third Way organization and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Don't miss this thought-provoking and forward looking discussion.

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Despite his historic losing streak in the courts (not to mention his big election loss), Donald Trump continues to argue he was robbed. And many in his own party are supporting Trump's arguments and his baseless conspiracy theories. In fact the vast majority of Republicans now believe what is a complete fairy tale from a president who, whether he likes it or not, has just a few short weeks left in office. What is the significance of this extraordinary GOP unity around what amounts to nothing less than a coup attempt, an effort to disenfranchise millions of American voters simply because they did not support Trump. We discuss with NYU Law School's Ryan Goodman and former FBI special agent and senior lecturer at Yale's Jackson Institute for Global Affairs Asha Rangappa. Don't miss it.

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Donald Trump is very nearly gone. The damage he has done will take years to repair. Where do we start? Socially? Politically? Economically? At home? With the rest of the world? What should our priorities be? Are there potentially traps? We discuss with Mary Trump, author of “Too Much and Never Enough,” Max Boot of the Washington Post, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of the Georgetown University Law Center. Don’t miss this discussion of our great national To Do List. 

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We are about to enter a period of national catastrophe unlike any we have ever seen, unlike the past year, unlike wars through which we have lived. Mass death during this time is preventable if you listen to scientists and use common sense. But half the country does not. They have embraced an 11th Century combination of superstition and ignorance and are condemning their relatives, their neighbors and their friends to death. Even with a vaccine and competent administration on the horizon, the next three months will be terrible and the crisis may linger into next summer. For all these reasons, listen to this special conversation with Dr. Kavita Patel, a practicing physician who is also a former top Obama White House health policy official, Laurie Garrett, Pulitzer Prize-winning expert on pandemics, and Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School. It is a conversation you will want to share with your family and friends.

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We went from the bi-polar world to the uni-polar world to WTF. The question now is "What comes after WTF?" Is it a restoration? An attempt to squeeze out another few years of the American Century? Decline? More confusion? Or is it an effort to remake the international order in collaboration with other leading nations? We discuss with Quincy Institute co-founder and author of "Tomorrow the World" Stephen Wertheim, Georgetown University Law Center's Rosa Brooks, the American Enterprise Institute's Kori Schake and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. It is a conversation that goes to the heart of what's next in U.S. foreign and national security policy. Don't miss it.

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Wait, what? A president who actually has foreign policy experience? A national security team that is not comprised of traitors, crackpots, sycophants, and corrupt relatives? Joe Biden seems to be introducing us to some old ideas that seem fresh and vibrant because they contrast so starkly with the disaster of the Trump years. His national security team is professional, smart, proven, diverse, and willing to speak their minds. We discuss who they are and where we see reason for hope or concern with our experts Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and John Gans of the University of Pennsylvania. Don't miss it.

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We go where no one else dares: To imagine a Trumpless future, a normal American president doing normal American president-y things like making domestic and foreign policy, succeeding sometimes, faltering other times and doing his best for the American people. Yes, we bring together a great group of experts to have a discussion about what the Biden Administration is likely to look like, how it will differ from the Obama years, where successes are likely and where we have concerns. Joining the conversation are Harvard University's Stephen Walt, the Chicago Council on Global Affairs Ivo Daalder, former senior Obama White House staffer Dr. Kavita Patel and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security." It will transport you into a world you might not have thought you'd ever see again. Join us.

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Pulitzer Prize-winner Tom Ricks, one of America's foremost journalists and authors, has a new book called "First Principles: What America's Founders Learned from the Greeks and Romans and How That Shaped Our Country" and it could not be more timely. It challenges many assumptions about the ideas leading to America's foundings and sheds light on many of the problems we are grappling with today. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and host David Rothkopf discuss with Ricks what led him to write the book and some of its surprising, stirring and most-thought provoking revelations. Join us.

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With COVID spiking we will pass over 450,000 dead of the pandemic within months. Hospitals and morgues are being stretched past capacity. The White House has given up doing anything about the crisis and is not helping the incoming administration prepare. Holiday plans for many Americans will no longer be able to include family gatherings or travel. The economic crisis lingers and the Trump Administration is engaged in an extraordinary and worrisome campaign of attacking our government from within. We discuss with Pulitzer Prize-winner Laurie Garrett, former senior Trump White House official Oliva Troye, and NYU Law School's Ryan Goodman as part of a special session that included live questions from our listeners. Don't miss this special episode.

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Donald Trump's defeat is a watershed in modern U.S. history and a relief for so many of us that it may do permanent damage to the sales of Tums and headache medications. Which is a good thing. But, having said that, huge challenges remain for the US and the world. We discuss with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Ben Ehrenreich, award-winning author whose most recent article is "How Do You Know When Society is About to Fall Apart?" (Ben, by the way, is Rosa's brother!). Don't miss our celebration...Deep State-style.

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As of the posting of this latest edition of Deep State Radio, no victor had been called in the presidential race. But it seems likely Joe Biden is the next president of the United States. Will we be able to appreciate and celebrate that or will challenges to the results, a rapidly deepening COVID crisis, election irregularities, and the possibility of divided government yuck our collective yum? We discuss with Greg Sargent of the Washington Post, former Obama WH official Dr. Kavita Patel, election integrity advocate Jennifer Cohn and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School. Don't miss it.

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Someday soon Tuesday November 3 will end. It may not be for a few weeks. Our president seems to want to make sure it never ends...because when it does, likely, he will too. But someday it'll happen and we'll have to figure out what hit us and what's going to happen next. To tackle that big job, we have a special broadcast that will include an extraordinary array of commentators. During our first half we are joined by Max Boot of the Washington Post, David Sanger of the New York Times and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. In our second half, we are joined by author Mary Trump, the FT's Ed Luce, former Hillary Clinton campaign spokesperson Karen Finney and the Third Way's Mieke Eoyang. They offer insights you won't hear anywhere else. Join us.

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With Election Day looming this year, Americans began to shutter their windows, put up plywood on the storefronts and they watched National Guard troops rumble into their cities. What should be a celebration of democracy and possibilities is has gained an air of dread we've never seen in most of our lifetimes. That suggests that regardless of the election's outcome, we face much deeper problems in our society. How do we address those? We discuss with Nils Gilman of the Berggruen Institute, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Perhaps it is a time to ask some very fundamental questions. Please join us for this thought-provoking discussion.

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We all remember Russia's interference in the last election and we know they are back this time, joined, it seems, by the Iranians. But foreign threats are not the only challenges to election security or the reliability of our results next week. We have the potential for domestic hacking, the possibility of voter suppression, the absence of verifiable audits in 47 out of 50 states, the unreliability of some systems, the track record of some election oversight officials for fiddling the results (we're looking at you Georgia), stacked courts, and the public posture of the President and his team that are calling results into question even before they have occured. How do we know the results are real? How do we protect the process? We discuss with three people who have been actively considering these issues, election security analyst and lawyer, Jennifer Cohn, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center. It's a discussion you should not miss. 

Correction: Jennifer mentioned Vermont as one of the states conducting risk limiting election audits but she meant to say Virginia.

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A Democratic victory in the 2020 elections is not a sure thing. As we have discussed on other episodes, the elections are fraught with risks. Further, once an election takes place, there are many ways that the President or his allies can try to cling to power. Only after there is a smooth transition and new leadership however, can the US turn to the business of effectively confronting our looming challenges associated with the pandemic, economic recovery and the climate crisis. Rising to those challenges could be a moment of great hope, even of rebirth, for the United States. We discuss how we get there from here with Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Maryland), one of the very smartest members of the U.S. Congress, and with our regulars, Dr. Kavita Patel, former senior official in the Obama White House and Ryan Goodman, professor at NYU Law School and co-editor of "Just Security." Don't miss it.

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On a special webinar edition of Deep State Radio, the Financial Times Edward Luce hosts a conversation with David Rothkopf, author of "Traitor: A History of American Betrayal from Benedict Arnold to Donald Trump" about the book, Trump's place in history, how to hold Trump and Co. accountable for any crimes they may have committed and how to restore America's standing in the world. Questions were taken from participants around the world in a lively 45 minute conversation that covered a wide range of topics as well as the thinking behind Rothkopf's book. Don't miss this special episode of Deep State Radio.

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We know, we know. This is no time for complacency. This is no time to minimize the challenges we face. This is no time to assume anything about the election or its aftermath. We must work hard and be on guard against abuses. But...what if things turn out as the polls suggest they might? What if Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and a Democratic Senate and Congress win? Might government, dare we say it, become boring again? Might competency make us turn away from it all out of indifference? And might the experience of the Trump years and resistance to the threat he and the Trumpists have posed to democracy in America have positive consequences, have reminded us what we value in government and our leaders? Might it all have brought some of us closer together? We dare to discuss our guarded optimism in this moment with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Joe Cirincione of the Quincy Institute. Join us.

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