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We got to have a joyous, wide-ranging interview with the athlete who has quietly had one of the greatest running seasons ever, Adam Peterman! He is so kind, funny, and gracious, and we can't wait for you to get to know him in a deeper way during this episode.

Adam's last year of racing has been mind-blowing, with wins at the JFK 50 Miler, Chuckanut 50k, Canyons 100k, Western States 100, and the World Championships. We discuss the training and long-term trajectory that led to his legendary speed and endurance! That means a deep dive into everything from weekly mileage to workouts to strength to training block structure. But our favorite parts of the episode involved his answers to probing questions about kindness, image, and pursuing potential in an uncertain world. 

Adam is a stellar human whose journey is just getting started. This is the inspirational story of how a Peterman became a PeterGOD!

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It's the ultimate celebration episode, full of fun training and life talk! We started with a joyful reflection about navigating through the dark forests in life, and how the path that starts out broken and sad can evolve in ways you never imagine (like with a FREAKING BABY). Then we hit on a bunch of running and life topics: why steady/moderate running is often overlooked in training plans, how to execute moderate running in a base period and all year, Adam PeterGOD winning the World Championships, what Courtney Dauwalter has been up to since our interview on episode 123, and exciting new data and an upcoming study on wrist-based heart rate. The most important part of the episode is a discussion of leading with love and openness in the running community by providing affirmation to non-binary athletes, highlighting Riley Brady winning a Golden Ticket to Western States at the Javelina 100. 

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Today's episode is such a fun discussion of cool training ideas, mental health rollercoasters, and life swerves! The main discussion is on 8 takeaways from Courtney Dauwalter's training to become the best in the world, collected from our interview with her and every other source we could get our hands on. We provide an analysis of weekly mileage (and how that will vary for athletes with different stress limitations), controlled long runs and workouts, strength routines, tapers, and much more! Other topics: low motivation days, how to use doubles (two training sessions in one day), and the icky feelings that come with marketing/self-promotion. 

It was a total celebration episode, recorded just before the baby popped out. Yes, this episode is also an opportunity to TIME TRAVEL with us! Baby Leo is sleeping and eating like a boss, so it's clear he has learned some lessons from Courtney already. 

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This episode explores the science and theory behind one of the most exciting training approaches in the world! Some athletes from Norway are using variations of intensity-controlled threshold training, double-workouts, and focused specific work to great success on the international stage. While the specifics of the Norwegian approach to endurance training may not apply to everyone, the principles are incredibly important to all endurance performance. Keep easy days easy (mostly). Develop speed, but don’t excessively train anaerobic processes that can detract from aerobic development. Controlled intervals are often more effective for aerobic development, and you shouldn’t be racing workouts.

And as for double workouts, lactate measurements, and massive weekly training volumes? Well, your experiences may vary. But it’s exciting as heck to explore the next frontiers in training theory. In this "Science Corner" episode, let's explore that frontier together.

Also, guess what? We had a baby! Leo Roche was born on Friday, October 25. Mom and baby are healthy and sexy! Thank you for being on this journey with us. We love you all! WOOHOO!

Love Each Other. LEO.

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We considered an ABBB tattoo ("Always Be Base Building") before a joyous episode on the importance of aerobic reinforcement, debates about gear choices, and existential questions about running! The main topics: the difference between offseason and base-building, why aerobic base needs to be a year-round focus, how to include speed development both before and during base periods, Alex Honnold's adventures in ultrarunning, dealing with burnout in running and life, the perils of productivity, inclusion in sports, and a new segment where we debate different gear options. It's our last normal Tuesday before our lives change forever, so prepare for lots of giddy fun.

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We ate a pint of snickerdoodle ice cream to prepare for a fun episode on tapering, racing, and fueling! The main topics: wild taper approaches from elite athletes involving very long runs relatively close to race day, why tapers vary and what that might mean for your next race, muscle fiber typology during training and detraining, a deep conversation on nutrition and why our message is to eat food that you love, celebrating food and clapping back on bad food messages in athletics, a grab-bag of 6 racing lessons, and 2 show recommendations. Plus lots of other fun topics! Grab your favorite snack, because the nutrition discussion may make you crave something fun and tasty.

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We got to interview the brilliant, kind, and HILARIOUS Courtney Dauwalter! Courtney has won UTMB twice, the Hardrock 100, the Western States 100, and established herself as an absolute force of nature that transcends running. In this episode, we dug deep on her training theory, from weekly mileage to workouts to rest days. But even more fun was a deep conversation about life and motivation. This episode has it all: physiology, training theory, ice cream favors, hallucinations, and much more!

Courtney is our ultimate inspiration. Will she agree to coach us? Only time will tell.

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We got VERY EXCITED about enchiladas before an invigorating episode on training and intrinsic motivation! The main topics: 3 marathon training principles that apply to all endurance runners, the magic of long runs that build aerobic lipidic power, 4 follow-up discussions about Eliud Kipchoge's training before setting the world record, recent studies on why process-motivation supports well-being and performance, a grab-bag of 7 recommendations for training and life fun, how to use cross-training, a big announcement about next week's guest, and the nuances of supershoe variation. Plus doubles, exciting podcast growth, creating sustainable running form, and lots of other fun topics!

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We listened to some very, VERY fun audio recordings before a joyous episode on growth and training theory! The main discussion is on Eliud Kipchoge's training, using a mix of sources to come up with 6 lessons for everyone. Zone 1 easy running, controlled workouts around 80% capacity, high (but not wild) volume, long runs with tempo, a growth lifestyle, and so much more! We also chatted about recent marathon breakthroughs for 40+ athletes, and the exciting implications for growth with age in the sport. Finally, we analyzed why running is a POWER SPORT, and how that incentivizes finding our own personal versions of "strong" in the journey. Plus OCR world champion training, horoscopes, the neuroscience of food, the magic of Coke, and tons of other cool topics! 

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We embraced the pizza underwear process before having such a fun episode with lots of training and life topics! The big training discussion revolved around 10 reactions to the approach that Kilian Jornet used to become the GOAT. Get ready for a buffet of the hottest training takes on: doubles, the theory of long runs and why they don't need to be too long, the complexity of fasted training, Zone 1 work, tapers, minimal dose strength training, hill/flat combination workouts, focused base-building periods, nutrition/supplementation, and the magic of a long-term process focus. We also talked about the perils of marginal-gain optimization, horoscopes, testosterone levels, and SO MUCH MORE! Buckle up, the science was extra sexy in this one.

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In one of the most exciting moments of our lives, we sat down with Kilian Jornet, aka the GREATEST OF ALL TIME. Kilian is the winner of almost every major race around the world, most recently UTMB and the Hardrock 100 just four weeks apart. He's also a dad of two and a founder of shoe company NNormal, bringing a process-focus to his life on and off the trails. In the episode, we talk about the dynamics of racing UTMB, how he trained for his dominant 2022, take a deep dive into the physiology of training and how his approach has evolved over time, why he doesn't do strength work, speed work for mountain racing, being a business boss, and balancing it all with family.

We love Kilian, and we know you will too. May we all make love to the mountains! White spandex is optional, but encouraged.

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We are coming to you with HEALTHY HEART SWAG to talk about Kilian Jornet's training snapshot leading up to his course record at UTMB, training intensity zones and what they mean, how to think about heart rate principles even if you don't use a heart rate monitor, Nico Young's amazing strength, the connection between emotional pain and physical pain, professional athlete contracts, body love, and hill training. Plus, we answer an amazing question on disentangling physical performance from self-worth. It was the most fun episode ever, thank you for supporting these weekly adventures!

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We got naked in a creek before talking about 9 thoughts from the UTMB races, Kilian Jornet's historic summer and how unthinkably incredible he is, the importance of understanding iron intake for athletes, a checklist to address fatigue, the Manti Te'o documentary and the power of forgiveness, follow-ups to the Clare Gallagher interview, and the worst doping excuse we have ever heard. We have so much fun with these episodes, thank you for listening and giving us an excuse to have research-driven date days each week! For a weekly bonus episode (and bi-weekly newsletter), make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon. We love you all! WOOHOO! Support the podcast: patreon.com/swap Try Athletic Greens: athleticgreens.com/SWAP

It's our first interview ever, with our favorite human and athlete in the world! Clare Gallagher won the 2022 Leadville 100 Miler in the 5th-fastest time ever just 36 hours before we recorded the interview. A historic 100 mile win and a 75-minute podcast episode are both equal feats of endurance in our eyes. Clare is a running legend, with wins at Western States, Leadville, CCC, Black Canyon 100k, and the Way Too Cool 50k, all by age 30. But even more importantly, she is a brilliant and world-changing human who is an environmental advocate about to embark on a new journey with marine protection. We love Clare, and we know you will too! 

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Surprise bonus episode! On Patreon, we are doing weekly episodes where we answer (mostly) training questions from subscribers, and we wanted to release this week's to everyone to say THANK YOU ALL. We said the word "sexy" way too many times... or just the right number of times. 

Topics this week: the "why" behind different stride lengths (i.e. 20 seconds versus 30 seconds), training week structure and ensuring the right intensity distribution within context of workouts, cross training workouts on the bike and how we use them for some athletes, doubles and just how short/slow they can be, and weird nuances in training theory that apply at the outer margins of human performance. We love you all! HUZZAH!

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We conquered the 7-year itch before talking about how we are constantly testing new interventions (ankle weight warm-ups?!), electrolyte consumption during exercise, the interesting offset between literature and practice with salt intake, the science of cooling interventions and how they can lead to 5%+ performance improvements even in temperate conditions, thoughts about the 2022 UTMB races, our extremely biased predictions with a heavy North American focus, and running's impact on longevity. It's our 8th anniversary celebration episode, so there is some raunchy humor as well. It wouldn't be SWAP without it! 

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We did it all for the nookie before talking about the evolution of our training theory about output at VO2 max being a key indicator of aging and long-term performance in athletes, why mechanical power output is often under-appreciated in running training, the weird science of glucose tolerance tests, wonderful news out of Kansas, the predictable disaster of Woodstock '99, the multiple uses of percussive massage tools, why hip labrums are the worst, and how MRI results can be misleading in some cases. Plus 3 start-up ideas that can make any listener a billion dollars at least! For a weekly bonus episode (and bi-weekly newsletter), make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon. We love you all! WOOHOO!

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We debated the performance enhancing benefits of potato chips before talking about the importance of understanding load capacity in training and life, why competitive exercise might have some darker mental consequences for some people, how love and fear are intertwined for better and for worse, the foods of the week, 3 ways to anticipate responses to training, the inspiring story of rockstar scientist Jennifer Doudna, the Women's Tour de France, and how women's sports are taking over the world. 

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We did bathroom mirror glute squeezes before talking about fun ways to understand exercise physiology terms, why pro cycling is the world's greatest endurance experiment (even for runners), 8 performance science takeaways from the Tour de France, fears about doping in cycling (and other sports), book recommendations (Broken Horses and Win At All Costs), a hot take about PM running, cellulite and why your body is perfect, and Brandi Carlile's song "The Joke" and what it means to us. Our longest and most fun episode ever, ending with the best conclusion of all time. Stick around to hear pure joy! 

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We got really, really excited by astronomy before talking about the historic performances at the Hardrock 100 Miler, physiology that people might not think about enough in high-altitude racing, stories from the World Championships, Devon Allen's infuriating DQ due to a false start, how to think about training for long-term growth, the TV show "The Bear," what we need to do to become the #1 podcast episode in Britain, and reflections spurred by the first James Webb Telescope photos. Things get deep, fast. Then they get shallow even faster. You know how we do it! YES, CHEFS.

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We put on some sexy white spandex shorts before talking about the different workouts we'd recommend if an athlete could only do one, our favorite sessions and the rationale for different workout types (tempo, long intervals, short intervals, and hills), whether we'll ever understand what cryptocurrency actually is, the incredible movie Everything Everywhere All At Once, why we are skeptical about vegetables, reflections from watching Unbreakable for the first time, how the sport is changing over time, and the liberating idea of feelings as data, rather than a threat. Plus side-discussions on death, sex, and taxes! You know, THE GOOD STUFF. 

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We overcame an acute case of over-stoke syndrome before talking about the wildest race in the world, how Mount Marathon breaks algorithms and ankles, the incredible stories of Tabor and Eli Hemming, a recap of the US Mountain Championships, how to think about "pain" in the context of training, a full review of 9 different energy gels (prepare for some spicy hot takes), shoe review updates on the most buzz-generating models of the summer, the complex science of functional overreaching, and Adam Peterman. All praise the Petergod!

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We took some hardcore grass naps before talking about 13 things we learned at the Western States 100 Miler! That includes the booming media coverage, Adam Peterman becoming a PeterGOD, theories for why the times are so fast, and much more. Plus we do some deeper dives into the exciting world of mid-event cooling techniques (and how we think that will drive performance changes even in temperate races), how speed is so important for long races, the exciting and evolving landscape of running, and the less exciting prospect of 12-inch probes. It'll make sense soon. 

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This week, we are bringing our BONUS Patreon episode to everyone to highlight some sexy science! Megan was just named the Western States Research Co-Director, and our celebration is to bring you some research updates in hot-tub conversation format. We start with reviewing two fascinating talks at the medical conference on hyponatremia/hydration and how the gut microbiome may influence performance and health. Then, we examine some BREAKING NEWS SCIENCE from Dr. Marshall Burke on how heat impacts performance, and what that means for time predictions for this year's race.

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We got really, really excited about Olympic Valley before talking about takeaways from the Broken Arrow skyraces, the complexity of races that reward VO2 max, how training for other sports can support running (but how that might also hide the true performance drivers), 6 tips for dealing with pre-race anxiety, 4 narratives around the Western States 100, our sleeper picks for podium finishes, the importance of eating enough for male athletes, and thinking about running training in a power-per-stride framework. Plus lots more fun! Make sure you stick around to the very end for the G.O.A.T. pregnancy burp. We love you all! WOOHOO!

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We dodged an angry moose before dedicating almost the whole episode to one of our favorite events of the year: The Western States 100! Whether you care about this race or not, we hope to convey big enthusiasm, bigger science, and even bigger subjective opinions. It was so much fun to break down wild ultra science on how physiology responds to this race, the unique demands of the course, 2022 sub-plots, and who we are picking for top finishes. We are SO EXCITED for the Super Bowl of US ultra running! Plus, we gave some happy pregnancy updates! 

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We witnessed some real-life Twitter beefs before talking about 3 things we learned at the American College of Sports Medicine conference, data periodization and how to maintain joy while learning more about your body, athletics before GPS, our love/hate list for hydration products, a new study on increasing easy volume versus adding hard intensity, recent research on the menstrual cycle and training, and the mind-altering power of a cold Coca Cola. For a weekly bonus episode, make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon! We love you all! WOOHOO!

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We started the Cha Cha Challenge before talking about training for the unique challenges of European racing, more shoe reviews, being an introvert at professional conferences, why all clothes should be maternity fit, how stride workouts can spur progression across decades of serious training, follow-ups on vegetarianism, some problems with UTMB's doping policies, and the cool science of hydration wearables. For a weekly bonus episode, make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon! We love you all! WOOHOO!

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We optimized our nasal breathing before giving you our HONEST feelings on different shoe brands and models, the cool science of minimal-dose strength work, the quirks of Vitamin D science, and fueling follow-ups. We then provide an overview of the changing media landscape, including recent layoffs and changes in publishing models, and what that might mean for.... future expansion of the podcast and fun content! The hope is that a Patreon account can be a proof-of-concept for a bigger investment in bonus podcasts, articles, and videos in the future. We love you all! WOOHOO!

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We did some titillating at-home chiropractic adjustments before talking about the variance in what constitutes good hydration for different athletes (and how extreme approaches can work for heavy sweaters), carb love and the power of Peanut Butter Puffins, our favorite recent TV shows, shoe science and the murky understanding of impact forces, body/brain chemistry and enthusiasm for every body, random racing tips, and the power of big trees (and big honkers). We love you all! WOOHOO!

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We tanned our private parts for the hormone boost before talking about extreme race fueling approaches of 400-500+ calories per hour and how they might work for some athletes, extreme races like the Cocodona 250, training for ultras where the association between speed and performance fall away, John Kelly's historic Wainwrights FKT, heat training, influencers taking PEDs, a follow-up on pregnancy, and the importance of individual bodily autonomy and personal freedom. Plus lots more! We love you all! HUZZAH!

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We channeled our BIGGEST WET FOOD ENERGY to joyfully reflect on the 100th episode of the podcast! What a journey! This is a love letter to our listeners... and to new adventures. You know how TV shows save something big for the season finale? We did that for the 100th episode. Tune in and find out! Plus discussions of lessons from the last couple years, owning your insecurities, the unexpected swerves of an athletic life, takeaways from our favorite episodes, and so much more. Thank you so much for being on this journey with us! We love you all! HUZZAH!

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We made SO MANY PHONE CALLS before talking about the wildly cool and striking science on how much pre-race and during-race carb intake correlates with performance, what the literature says about how to fuel before and during events, the incredible racing at the Canyons 100k, the importance of women in coaching, inspiration from Leah Yingling, why Lizzo is our hero, 3 training tips that can increase speed (with just a few minutes extra per week), and the evolving world of ultramarathons. Plus lots more! Rate, review, and subscribe if you like it! We love you all! HUZZAH!

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We went full BUBBLES before talking about some takeaways from the Boston Marathon, training theory evolution in the Strava age, a preview of the STACKED Canyons 100k, sexy science on variables that predict trail running performance, why peak velocity might correlate with success even in very long races, satisfaction bombs and the importance of big meals, "Real Talent," and erotic microphones. Rate, review, and subscribe if you like it! We love you all! HUZZAH!

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We had a pepperoni pizza foodgasm before talking about dreaming big in athletics and life, the delightful inevitability of failure, an amazing new study on the training of world-class distance runners, easy running guidelines, tapers, and empathy. Plus asides on BOTH fox mating and raptor mating, so things are getting freaky in the animal kingdom. The episode ends with the most wonderful, life-affirming Listener Corner email ever, so stay tuned for that. We love you all! WOOHOO!

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We rocked some very teal, very tight spandex to talk about stories from the Gorge 100k and 50k (highlighted by some amazingly fun breakthroughs!), great health news for Megan's heart, athletics as an opportunity to shine your light with FULL LUMINOSITY, Jerrod Carmichael's wonderful new comedy special, being yourself, the courage of Lia Thomas, why inclusion must be the default, and why trans athletes rights are human rights. We love you all! WOOHOO! 

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We turned some knobs in all the right directions before talking about some cool new data on how rest days can improve health and performance, how that relates to burnout and long-term growth, the wild and repeatable science of the placebo effect (featuring a fun study on injecting athletes with fake EPO!), publication bias and how that influences scientific understanding, poetry, and talking dirty to plants. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO!

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We channeled some SEXY WILDEBEEST vibes before talking about studies from rugby on how positive reinforcement before and after matches improves hormone levels and performance, a new review study on the perils of low-carbohydrate approaches to nutrition, opening up about our secrets, balancing positive mentorship and actionable feedback, bike racing, and a warm-up tip that leads to breakthroughs (in running or podcasts). Plus ALL OF THE SCIENCE that makes it one of our sexiest episodes ever! Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO!

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We got white hot and passionate before talking about some wildly cool studies on speed training science, how simple training changes can improve performance for most athletes, our questionable move to a caffeine-free lifestyle (nooooooo!), the power of DNFs in racing and in life, movie reviews and recommendations, and the importance of celebrating everything about mental health (via Taylor Tomlinson's amazing new stand-up special). Plus the usual sexy science! Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO!

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We did a public-service announcement on the importance of lubrication (and blew the conch) before talking about the Barkley Marathons and the fascinating definition of talent, elementary school stories and how they play a role throughout life, self-acceptance in the social media age, the uncertain impact of alcohol on protein synthesis, broken treadmills, and lots more of the sexiest science. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO!

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We drank some blended lawn clippings FOR HEALTH before talking about why all miles count and there is no such thing as "junk" for the aerobic system, how base building unfolds over longer time horizons, shining your light in a world that can feel so dark at times, how impossible it is to be an adult (what the heck is radon?!), 3 business observations, and Ukraine love. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO!

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We embraced love and fear before talking about how threshold training looks different for athletes who run on hills, thinking about adapting Norwegian training or other approaches, the principles and logistics of starting coaching (or starting anything!), how injuries change thinking on exercise physiology, biases in how we think about models, Ali Wong, and LOVE. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap

We PUT ON A SHOW (for ourselves) before talking about the WILDLY COOL training principles behind Nils van Der Poel's gold medals in speed-skating, Clare Gallagher's training (and life force) leading up to the Black Canyon 100k, finding and embracing your voice, a follow-up on Norwegian training principles (particularly for female athletes), performance outliers, the figure skating doping controversy, massive aerobic and threshold sessions, and even more massive rest blocks. Plus lots of fun digressions, from the sexual tension of the double luge to fueling with whipped cream. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey! WOOHOO!

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We brought some of the BIGGEST COOKIE ENERGY before talking about the role of lactate and how that determines adaptations from training intensity, the Norway model of running training, the cool theory of double threshold workouts, the winter Olympics, some thoughts about the Black Canyon 100k, and life history theory applied to low energy availability and adaptation. Plus lots of fun digressions, from salmon mating to the paramount importance of relationship dynamics in ice dancing. It's our longest episode yet, thank you all so much for your support and being along for the ride! WOOHOO!

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We got EXTRA STRENGTH creative juices flowing before talking about a study on how self-talk can influence performance, the connection that emotional state can have to long-term adaptation, recognizing and improving self-talk and why that matters long-term, the best strength exercise (step-ups!) and how to take them to the next level, and how to prevent and treat side stitches. Plus lots of the usual asides, from Salt-N-Pepa to sex dreams. As always, it gets weird! Thank you all for everything! WOOHOO!

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We ate performance supplements (cereal and cheese!) before talking about facing fear in an athletic life, ways to reframe pressure, our recent culinary breakthroughs, the importance of preserving your unique voice, death, lessons from the amazing show Cheer, and bringing that "too old, too tired, and too talented" energy for 2022. Full SWAG MODE, ACTIVATE! Thank you all for everything! WOOHOO!

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We got ON A BIKE (slowly) before talking about the wildly fun epigenetic principles behind long-term adaptation, secrets and shame, email interventions, the beautiful cruelty of sports like running, and the importance of putting yourself out there and getting vulnerable. SHOOTERS SHOOT! Thank you all for everything! WOOHOO!

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We took off our grump-suits and put on some sexy swag-suits to talk about the fun science of multi-year changes from a genetic baseline, the coolest twin-study of all time, different protein sources and why they can be adaptation insurance, a poop-doping follow-up, muscle fiber typology and why it matters, and how cookie availability changes evaluation metrics. Thank you all for everything! HUZZAH!

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SEXY SCIENCE CORNER! What differentiates athletes late in endurance events like marathons and ultras? Why can some athletes train the same, pace the same, fuel the same--yet have different results? The answer may be found in the emerging study of "fatigue resistance." Fatigue resistance does not have a set definition, but is generally classified as the extent of performance deterioration late in events, often unexplained by normal physiological profiling while fresh. This episode takes a deep dive into some of the sexiest science and training theory of how the brain and nervous system influence late-race fatigue. We take you on a thrilling ride featuring neurotransmitters, genetics, metabolic variables, and much more, with the goal of highlighting what contributes to physiological breakthroughs over time. It concludes with 10 training theories you can put into practice to accomplish some big, scary goals.

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We PLUCKED our way into 2022 before talking about 6 winter training fundamentals (that apply anytime outside of specific training), the difficulty of motivation (including for us), the tragic Boulder fires, hope in an uncertain world, evolutionary principles of alcohol consumption and dependence, and the wildly exciting science of the microbiome. There will be a new sexy science corner episode this Friday, subscribe now! Thank you all for everything! Wooohooooo 2022, let's do this!

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