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Guest Chrissy Newton talks about her father's very unusual UFO encounter, and discusses the Government & media looking at the UAP topic from a Public Relations Perspective. She will discuss the past to present media coverage, misinformation campaigns and Public Relations tactics government uses surrounding the UAP narrative. Chrissy will be speaking at the upcoming Contact in the Desert in a few weeks.Show Notes

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by Charles Lear, author of “The Flying Saucer Investigators.”In last week’s blog, we looked at some correspondence we came across in the January-February 1969 Merseyside UFO Bulletin between Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Research Association Director Gary Lesley and Maury Island principals, Fred Crisman and Harold Dahl. We started by looking at an exchange between Lesley and Dahl. In a letter dated July 23, 1967, Lesley asked Dahl for copies of photos that were allegedly taken of a flying saucer, a written statement from Dahl, and for Dahl to contact Crisman and get a written statement from him as well. Dahl replied in a letter dated August 22, 1967, that he would “allow” Lesley to have copies of the photos, would provide a statement that would have to be approved by Crisman, and would contact Crisman but added that it would be unlikely that Crisman would reply to Lesley. Dahl went on to paint a picture of Crisman that didn’t seem to fit the facts that researchers looking into Crisman’s life uncovered. In contrast to what Dahl told Lesley to expect, Lesley got a letter from Crisman, and this is what we’re looking at this week. Read more →

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by Charles Lear, author of “The Flying Saucer Investigators Throughout the history of flying saucers/UFOs, there have been characters that those being kind would describe as “colorful,” and those being blunt would describe as liars, hoaxers and con men. One of these characters was Fred Crisman, who became famous/infamous due to his involvement in the Maury Island case. Crisman was accused of hoaxing the case along with his business partner, Harold Dahl, and the two confessed as much to an FBI agent who investigated (page 20 of pdf) due to the deaths of two military intelligence officers associated with the case. Crisman faded from the public eye after this but showed up again on November 21, 1968 when he was called to testify at the trial of Clay Shaw looking into the JFK assassination. We have recently come across some correspondence between a UFO investigator, Crisman, and Dahl in the pages of a 1967 edition of a British UFO magazine that may be of interest to our readers. Read more →

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Guest Gari Jones on his recently released book, "The Denbigh Lights - A Truthful Argument For The Existence of UFOs'", Gari discusses his in-depth investigation into a UFO captured on video in Denbigh, Wales. His investigation not only details the multi-witness statements but also up-to-date analysis of the video in question. He also talks about other UFO cases, one with occupants.Show Notes

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by Charles Lear, author of “The Flying Saucer Investigators.”Gordon Cooper, youngest of the original Mercury astronauts, often spoke publicly about his UFO sightings and beliefs. He appeared in documentaries such as James Fox’s 2003 film Out of the Blue, and famously wrote a letter dated November 9, 1978, to Ambassador of Grenada to the United States George Ashley Griffith calling for the scientific collection and analysis of data taken from UFO encounters in order to “determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion.” In Out of the Blue, he is heard telling a story about a flying saucer with three retractable legs that was filmed landing in 1957 at Edwards Air Force Base. He didn’t claim to have witnessed the landing himself, but did say he saw the footage. There was an incident involving the filming of a UFO at Edwards that year, and there is a Project Blue Book file on the case. James McDonald found the witnesses and interviewed them in the late 1960’s and wrote a report. Cooper’s name is not mentioned by McDonald and the incident as described by McDonald and in the Blue Book file didn’t involve a landing. Brad Sparks and Jan Aldrich, both heavily involved in UFO research for many years, had an email exchange discussing this, and a record of it can be found at nicap.org.Read more →

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Ben Moss & Tony Angiola return to speak on their 5-year in depth research of the 1964 Socorro UFO Incident which changed Dr. J. Allen Hynek's skeptic mind on the UFOs. Their released book: "Not of This WorldThe Socorro UFO Landing with Humanoids, Witness Lonnie Zamora". They discuss working with Ray Stanford, going to Socorro multiple times for additional evidence, and more.Show Notes

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The story of the September 1961 case involving the possible abduction of Betty and Barney Hill by UFO occupants has been related and examined in numerous publications and formats. It’s an intriguing case and was the first of the late 20th century UFO abduction reports to receive serious consideration (and publication) by investigators. This makes it a case worthy of attention because the story told by the Hills couldn’t have been influenced by previous abduction narratives. The main source for the abduction story that is focused on by most researchers, such as John Fuller who wrote the 1966 book about the case titled The Interrupted Journey, is the tapes from the hypnosis sessions the Hills went through in 1964 with Dr. Benjamin Simon. Before that, the case was considered to be merely a sighting report. That’s how it was presented by Walter Webb, the primary investigator who submitted a report dated October 26, 1961, to the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. After news of the Hills possibly having been abducted got out, Webb was moved to submit an updated report, dated August 30, 1965, that contains the abduction account. Included in that report is a copy of the letter Betty Hill wrote to NICAP Director Donald Keyhoe dated September 26, 1961. This is the first document with a complete version the Hill’s sighting as it was consciously remembered. As for the abduction account, Webb included a copy of a five-page document, written by Betty a little over a month after the sighting, that shows that it actually originated in a series of dreams Betty had on consecutive nights shortly after the encounter. The letter and document are included in The Interrupted Journey, but their significance as the first recorded accounts of the Hills’ experience very close to the time of the event is not emphasized by Fuller.    Read more →

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Rerun (original April 9, 2015) guest Dr. Leo Sprinkle talks about his two sightings, his vast career and the thousands of cases he has looked into. He also talked about free energy, abductees, J Allen Hynek and more. Dr R. Leo Sprinkle (1930-2021)

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by Charles Lear, author of “The Flying Saucer Investigators.”Tom MoirPeople react to UFO encounters in different ways. Some are profoundly moved, some are terrified, some take them in stride, and some become fascinated. Tom Moir, a young man in the Aberdeenshire village of Muchalls, Scotland, was moved to become an investigator after his sighting in 1971, and he spent three decades videotaping UFOs in his area that he said were showing up on a regular basis. He came to believe they were monitoring him and his neighbors and this disturbed him to the point where he ended up moving thousands of miles away to Aukland, New Zealand.Moir’s story appears in the 1998 book by Ron Halliday, UFO Scotland. Moir is identified in the book as Tom McClintock. According to Halliday, Tom was walking home from a bus stop near his home after his weekly violin lesson. On his right, “he noticed a red, pulsating light.” Another identical one appeared on his left and then, a third. He was not scared, but rather, curious as to what they were doing.Read more →

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Guest, Dan Harary has been a longtime UFO researcher, will speak on his UFO encounters, and the genesis of writing his recent sci-fi novel, “After They Came,” depicting aliens coming to earth to help mankind.Show Notes

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by Charles Lear, author of “The Flying Saucer Investigators.”In Marfa, Texas, there is a phenomenon known as “The Marfa Lights” that has been around for a long time and still remains a mystery. It’s been studied by members of the Society of Physics Students from the University of Dallas and a retired aerospace engineer, James Bunnell. The students thought people were seeing car headlights on U.S. 67. Bunnell thought there was more to the lights than mere misidentification.According to the Texas State Historical Association website entry on the subject by Julia Cauble Smith, the first historical record of a mystery lights sighting dates back to 1883. According to Smith, Robert Reed Ellison, a young cowhand, saw a flickering light while driving cattle through an area known as Paisano Pass and thought it might be coming from an Apache campfire. Other settlers told him they had seen lights on other occasions and when they investigated, they found no signs of fires in the area. This has been used as an argument against the car lights on U.S. 67 explanation by defenders of the mysterious nature of the lights, such as Ariel Slick, who posted an article on the Deep South Magazine website headlined “Marfa Lights: The Spirit of Texas” on August 19, 2022. Read more →

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Brandon Fugal joins us on Season IV Premier Night of HISTORY Channel's "The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch" discuss what is unique about the upcoming new season.Show Notes

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Return guest, Graeme Rendall discusses the early years of the modern-day UFO phenomenon and more.Show Notes

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The guest is late, Bill from KGRA fills in, a partial interview with Travis Walton then guest Carlo Petrick, poses; the question is not “Do you believe in UFOs,” but rather “Is there indisputable, scientific, peer reviewed and vetted evidence which indicates that UFOs are...Show Notes

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Guest Mike Clelland talks about his longtime research into the mysterious connection between owls, synchronicities and UFO contact and more.Show Notes 

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Guest, Gunter Hofer on The Ariel School Encounter, other African UFO encounters and technical electronic evidence research.Show Notes

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by Charles Lear, author of “The Flying Saucer Investigators.”In 2010, an article by Jeremy Vaeni headlined “The Incredible Visitations of Emma Woods” appeared in the November issue of UFO Magazine. The story that was detailed therein caused people in the UFO community to take hard look at the methods and conclusions of the two most prominent people in alien abduction research at that time. “Emma Woods” was the pseudonym of a woman who lived in England, and she was one of David Jacobs’s research subjects. She had posted some tapes of her hypnosis sessions with him that contained some details that Jacobs probably would have preferred had not been made public. Woods provided more details in an interview she gave on March 29, 2010, on the Paratopia podcast hosted by Vaeni and Jeff Ritzman, which appear in the UFO Magazine article. The article prompted Budd Hopkins’s wife, Carol Rainey to write an article of her own headlined “The Priests of High Strangeness” published in 2011 in Volume 1, Number 1 of Paratopia magazine detailing some of Hopkins’s methods with his subjects as well. Last week we looked at the experiences of Woods during her interaction with Jacobs. This week we’ll look at the aftermath and the reaction of some in the UFO community to Woods’s story. Read more 

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Guest Katie Cook, you may know her as the television host of CMT, but she has had a longtime interest in UFOs and believes we are in post-disclosure. She talks about the emotional impact this topic can cause on society. She also discusses her own journey and why she is passionate about it. At the end of the show, we play 15 minutes of a listener encounter, Carole Quine.Show Notes

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Guest Colin Saunders is a mechanical engineer that had a family UFO encounter back in March, 1999 when a triangle UFO appeared right in front of his eyes, within 100 feet of his car. He discusses what the experience was like, goes into detail of what he observed as well as the high strangeness that followed.Show Notes

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by Charles Lear, author of “The Flying Saucer Investigators. In 2010, an article by Jeremy Vaeni headlined “The Incredible Visitations of Emma Woods” appeared in the November issue of UFO Magazine that caused people in the UFO community to take hard look at the methods and conclusions of the two most prominent people in alien abduction research. “Emma Woods” was the pseudonym of a woman who lived in England, and she was one of David Jacobs’s research subjects. She had posted some tapes of her hypnosis sessions with him that contained some details that Jacobs probably would have preferred had not been made public. Woods provided more details in an interview she gave on March 29, 2010, on the Paratopia podcast hosted by Vaeni and Jeff Ritzman, which appear in the UFO Magazine article. The article prompted Budd Hopkins’s wife, Carol Rainey to write an article of her own headlined “The Priests of High Strangeness” published in 2011 in Volume 1, Number 1 of Paratopia magazine detailing some of Hopkins’s methods with his subjects as well. Read more →

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Throughout the 1990s, the foremost authorities on UFO abduction research were Budd Hopkins, an artist who brought the subject to mainstream attention with the publication of his 1981 book, Missing Time, David Jacobs, an associate professor of history at Temple University who published Secret Life in 1992, and John Mack, head of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, who published Abduction in 1994. Their books sold well, and they all spoke openly to the press and were largely responsible for getting the alien abduction phenomenon a good deal of media coverage. Even some in the scientific community, probably due to Mack’s efforts and tenure at Harvard, were willing to look at the phenomenon with an open mind, and an Abduction Study Conference was held in 1992 at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, sponsored by a physics professor there, David Pritchard, with the help of financial backing from Robert Bigelow. Hopkins, Mack, and Jacobs were featured speakers, and Hopkins faced some public criticism during the conference regarding his methods. It wouldn’t be long before he faced even harsher criticism from within the UFO community. Read more →

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Guest, Karol Olesiak was a 3rd class petty officer and Quartermaster on the Ronald Reagan during the 2004 encounter. He discusses his experience during the encounter, and how it was weirdly ignored by upper rank as well as talk about a more recent UFO encounter in 2015 with a friend while walking dogs.Show Notes

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Guest Sam Maranto discusses the 2006 O'Hare UFO Incident, as well as the transition of where he has seen the UFO world changing over the last decades.Show Notes

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by Charles Lear, author of “The Flying Saucer Investigators.”In 1981, a new narrative became firmly established as part of the UFO mystery with the publication of Budd Hopkins’s book Missing Time. A large part of the book consists of transcriptions of recordings made during hypnosis sessions where the subjects described being taken aboard craft by 3-4 feet tall creatures that performed medical procedures on them. The descriptions of the creatures were similar to descriptions of beings that would become known as “the greys,” which are the now iconic creatures with large black eyes that became commonly reported after Whitley Strieber’s 1987 book Communion. The eyes of the creatures reported in Hopkins’s book vary. The book came out in July of 1981 and Hopkins, along with Dr. Aphrodite Clamar, a psychotherapist hired to conduct some of the hypnosis sessions, gave interviews to the press. From this point on, the UFO Abduction phenomenon began to receive serious consideration from the mainstream press with Hopkins as the leading authority for the rest of the decade. Read more →

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Guest Julie Ohlson who was part of a 1982 Willernie, Minnesota close encounter case, along with her mother. There was melted holes in the snow and debris left, which was photographed at the time. The debris was shipped off for analysis, and took 40 years for it to be returned.Show Notes

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While UFO researcher/investigators came to accept abduction reports as being worthy of their time by the end of the 1970s, only a few, such as John Keel and Gray Barker, were open to contactee reports. Even so, contactee reports kept showing up, and sometimes they would even make it into the newspapers. One British case from 1980 involved creatures that resembled the Venusians reported by George Adamski starting in 1952, and the witness claimed he had physical trace evidence as proof of his encounter. Read more →

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Martin with guests, retired F-16 Fighter Pilot, Chris Lehto & Astronomer Marc D'Antonio on the recent unidentified object shoot-downs. We suggest you watch the video for graphics found in show notes.SHOW NOTES

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By the end of the 1970s, after the 1973 Pascagoula incident and the 1975 Travis Walton case, abduction claims were not only an accepted aspect of the UFO mystery by many investigators, they were considered worthy of attention by the news media, and there are many lengthy newspaper articles detailing reports throughout that decade. The narrative hadn’t yet been taken over by the now-common reports of being taken aboard a craft by creatures 3 to 4 feet tall with big, slanted, black eyes and being subjected to invasive medical procedures that seemed to have something to do with reproduction. The creatures and the natures of the encounters reported throughout the 70s were varied, but by the decade’s end, elements had emerged that would become common in the decades to come. What would also become common in such cases would be the use of regressive hypnosis, which was thought to be an effective means to recover lost memories. However, this technique has since came under criticism, particularly in its use to provide evidence in legal cases, as can be seen in the article titled “Hypnosis, Memory and Amnesia” which was published in the November 29, 1997 (pp. 1727-1732) Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society London B: Biological Sciences. Read more →

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Martin discusses serendipitous witnessing of Chinese Balloon shoot-down then guest longtime UFO researcher, Larry Holcombe reflects on the “Golden Years” of UFOlogy, as well as what his opinion is of the last few years and the government's involvement of the UAP phenomenon.Show Notes

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A fascinating conversation with guests; Jensine Andresen and Massimo Teodorani on their recently released book, Extraterrestrial Intelligence: Academic and Societal Implications and more https://amzn.to/3isX417

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Dean Alioto fills in as host, guest, Rob Swiatek, speaks about UFO sightings and research in the age of disclosure and more.Show Notes

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Guest Grant Cameron is on to touch on the recent UAP Report and consciousness as part of what he believes is the connection to UFOs, and more.Show Notes

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In 1973, the claims of Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker that they’d been abducted by elephant-skinned, robot-like creatures in Pascagoula, Mississippi, opened researchers up to what have become known as “high-strangeness” reports. The term comes from J. Allen Hynek’s efforts at creating a system of strangeness ratings in Chapter Four of his 1975 book, The UFO Experience. Hickson and Parker were taken seriously because they seemed genuinely traumatized by their experience while just the two of them were waiting in a room at the police station where they first reported their encounter. They just been interviewed, and unbeknownst to them, a tape recorder in the room was left running, which captured the bewildered men talking to each other about their experience. Their story was reported in newspapers and UFO publications worldwide. After that, abduction reports began to increasingly appear. In the midst of this new openness to high-strangeness reports, in 1979, there was a story told by a trucker that was highly unique, and highly strange, and yet was still given serious consideration by the local newspapers and investigators who examined it. Read more →

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Many readers may not be aware that, at one point in time, the National Enquirer was associated with serious UFO research in spite of its reputation as a sensationalistic supermarket tabloid. In 1972, the Enquirer put together what they called “The National Enquirer Blue Ribbon UFO Panel,” which was made up of five UFO researchers, all of whom held PhDs. The Enquirer was offering a $50,000 reward for proof, by the end of the year, that UFOs came from space and were not a natural phenomenon. The panel was tasked with evaluating UFO cases to determine if any of them provided such proof. The panel members included four consultants for the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, and Dr. J. Allen Hynek, a scientific consultant for the Air Force’s UFO investigation for most of its existence. All of them had good reputations within the UFO community, and the reader may wonder why they would put those at risk by being associated with the Enquirer in such an endeavor. It’s likely that the prospect of getting some of their research funded by the Enquirer may have helped them to put aside any aversions, and the assignment in 1975 of Bob Pratt to the Enquirer UFO desk, who became respected as an investigator in his own right, may have encouraged them to continue their association. Read more →

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Guest, Mario Woods is back to discuss in detail his highly unusual encounter with lost time when he was assigned to the surveillance and protection of weapons and nuclear materials at the Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota and more.Show Notes

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1973 was a special year for UFO enthusiasts. Not only were there a huge number of reports in newspapers as can be seen in the issues of the UFO News Clipping Service from that year, there were many that were especially strange. This was the year of the Coyne Incident involving a report that a U.S. Army Reserve helicopter in the sky over Cleveland was pulled up by a UFO while its controls were set to descend, and the Pascagoula Incident, involving a report by two men that they were taken aboard a craft by floating, elephant-skinned, robot-like creatures. These two cases made the front page of the September-October 1973 A.P.R.O. Bulletin, but a case that has been overshadowed by these two cases has the big headline, “Occupants in Indiana,” as the lead story in that issue. Read more →

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Dean Alioto is back for a conversation with Martin on the unprecedented UAP legislation, the media's reaction and more.Show Notes

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In last week’s blog, we looked at researcher/investigator Hayden Hewes and some of the cases he looked into. One of those was in Aurora, Texas, where a UFO was reported to have crashed in 1897, killing its not-of-this-world pilot. The pilot was said to have been buried in the local cemetery, and an enthusiastic Hewes attempted and failed to get an exhumation order. The case has endured in the UFO mythos despite the likelihood that the story was made up by a reporter trying to raise some publicity for a dying town. In the midst of the publicity stirred up by Hewes and other investigators, Jim and Coral Lorenzen of the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization expressed their doubts in their publication, the A.P.R.O. Bulletin. Read more →

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Guest Curt Jaimungal of Theories of Everything joins us for his thoughts on UFOs, theoretical physics, consciousness and much more. https://theoriesofeverything.org https://youtube.com/TheoriesOfEverythingShow Notes

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When it comes to having an interest in the subject of UFOs, there are those who enjoy it casually, those study it more deeply, and those who become active as investigator/researchers. As for the latter type, some, such as Max B. Miller, start young. Miller was the president of the Junior Flying Saucer League at age 15 in 1952, and in 1953, was the editor of Saucers, a magazine he and his group, Flying Saucers International, put out until 1960. In 1953, Miller came up with the idea to organize a convention and FSI organized what was billed as “The World’s First Flying Saucer Convention.” It was held at the Hollywood Hotel from August 16–18, 1953, and was moderated by FSI member Jeron King Criswell, whom some readers may know as the narrator for Ed Wood’s masterpiece, Plan 9 From Outer Space. Another precocious UFOlogist, Hayden Hewes, started the International UFO Bureau in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma at the age of 13 in 1957. Hewes may not be as well known as Miller is to some readers, but he and his group were involved in some cases that should be.Read more →

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A follow-up with guest, John Ramirez who reveals fascinating information that he uncovered over the years and some interesting perspectives. John Ramirez served from 1984 to 2009 in the CIA Directorate of Science and Technology, Directorate of Intelligence, and the ODNI National Counterproliferation Center (NCPC). At CIA he was an intelligence analyst and Chief, ELINT Analysis Branch specializing in ballistic missile defense, weapons systems radars, and technical collection operations. At the NCPC he was the SIGINT specialist and the multi-discipline collection requirements strategist. John is a US Navy veteran, 1973 to 1979, in the Electronics Warfare Technician field on board surface ships. John majored in political science and graduated in 1983 from the George Washington University, Washington, DC. John is a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers and the Central Intelligence Retirees Association.

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Return guest, Harvard Astrophysicist Avi Loeb discusses the new breakthrough today in nuclear fusion energy, the launching an undersea expedition to trace and collect the pieces of the first known interstellar object that hit Earth in 2014. The said object had crashed into the ocean just off the coast of Papua New Guinea. He also discusses what has been going on with the Galileo Project and more.Show Notes

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When it comes to reporting UFO sightings, it often happens that local police departments are the first organizations witnesses turn to. Many times, the reports to police take place while the UFO is still active in the area and patrol officers are able to respond and verify witness accounts. Famous examples are the 1966 case involving Dale Spaur and his partner, Wilbur “Barney” Neff, who chased a UFO from Portage County, Ohio, all the way into Pennsylvania, and another Ohio case, this time in Trumbull County in 1994, involving multiple officers chasing and observing UFOs. Their radio interactions have been preserved in the form of a recording from the police dispatch that was turned over to researcher Kenny Young. This week, we’ll look at a 1972 case out of Colby, Kansas, that involved multiple police witnesses and multiple UFOs. Read more →

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EVERYTHING ELSE SHOW: Martin & Marc discuss what it is like to have life-threatening heart issues, to be saved by modern medicine as well as what it is like to undergo lifesaving surgery with an intense recovery. Amazingly, Marc discusses how he seemingly healed himself through retraining neural pathways.Notes from Martin: I was contacted by a YouTube listener of my show, she thought I may have coronary issues because she saw 45° creases in my earlobes and told me to look up Frank's Sign which I did. I went to my doctor, he did a check and could not find anything, but we know the rest of the story.It is difficult to outrun genetics, but I could have possibly avoided coronary artery disease by diet and more exercise. A low sodium diet is extremely beneficial, also staying away of high cholesterol foods and keeping your "bad" cholesterol in check.

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Back again is Podcast UFO's longtime blogger and author of "The Flying Saucer Investigators"  to discuss his deep dive into his five-part blog series, "Behind the Scenes of UFO Cover-Up? Live!" 1-5, what he uncovered while researching it and more.Show Notes

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When the subject of UFO databases comes up, the National UFO Reporting Center is usually mentioned along with the name of its seemingly tireless director, Peter Davenport. What many may not know is who it was that got it started.Washington State MUFON Director Maurene Morgan wrote an article titled “The Early Years of NUFORC – Bob Gribble and Wendy Connor,” which was published in the November 2021 Washington MUFON Newsletter. According to Morgan, Bob Gribble, a Seattle Firefighter, became fascinated by UFOs in 1954 when he read an article in True magazine. This could have been the article in the May 1954 issue titled, “What Our Air Force Found Out About UFOs,” written by Edward J. Ruppelt, the first director of Project Blue Book. Read more →

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PART ONE (PART TWO DEC. 27TH) Returning guest, John Ramirez Retired CIA Officer discusses his personal thoughts on the UFO subject, his own personal experiences and more.Show Notes

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This is the last of what has turned into a five-part series looking into the events that led up to, and the people who would become involved with the television production UFO Cover-Up? Live!, which aired on October 14, 1988. It seems that the show’s producer, Michael Seligman, believed that it would be the vehicle for an earth-shaking UFO disclosure. What resulted was a clumsy and awkward production where the only disclosure anyone remembers is that aliens like strawberry ice cream.Robert Skvaria wrote a three-part series of articles titled, “The Cover-Up Behind UFO Cover-Up? Live!” for Diabolique magazine, the first of which was posted on May 17, 2022. Skvaria spoke to Curtis Brubaker, who came up with the idea for the show, and Tracy Tormé, who produced the segment of the show devoted to the Gulf Breeze, Florida, sightings and the pictures taken by Ed Walters.Read more →

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Guests David Marler & Barry Greenwood discuss the launching of the National UFO Records Center, a non-profit based in New Mexico offering a vast array of historical data to the public and even the government if they choose to look into historical cases as mandated for 2023.Show Notes

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Guest Dr. David Clarke speaks on his recent uncovering of the Calvine UFO photo, which is one of six known sequential images. For 32 years the image, dubbed the "Calvine photo," disappeared from the public eye, becoming the object of speculation, theories and myths. David speaks of his efforts and strange circumstances as to why the publishing was halted, and how the image(s) disappeared.Show Notes

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