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Kara and Scott discuss Microsoft layoffs, cryptocurrency’s surprising recovery, and Jacinda Ardern’s resignation. Plus, someone bought a Twitter bird statue for $100k, and it wasn’t Kara. Friend of Pivot Zoë Schiffer (@zoeschiffer) joins to discuss all of her recent Twitter reporting, including the work that went in to this week’s major New York Magazine story, which you can read here.

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Kara and Scott visit London's "new Palo Alto" for a live discussion on Tim Cook's pay cut, Prince Harry's memoir "Spare," and what European regulation means for social media users. Also, banking's biggest Eeyore softens his predictions for a 2023 recession, while Britain takes another step towards Brexit.

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At Munich's Digital-Life-Design conference, Kara and Scott unpack EU tech regulations, Tesla's many challenges (including Twitter), and OpenAI's future in Microsoft products. Also, what the latest airline meltdown says about US infrastructure.

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Kara and Scott are back together! They discuss the new power balance in Congress, how A.I. will and won't transform, and a potential ban on non-compete clauses. Plus, Jack Ma will give up control of Ant Group, and echoes of January 6th in Brazil. Today's Friend of Pivot is Mike Allen of Axios, who stops by to chat about his new book, “Smart Brevity: The Power of Saying More with Less,” and the changing landscape of the news business.

You can find Mike Allen on Twitter at @MikeAllen and can find Smart Brevity here.

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CNN's Audie Cornish joins Kara as guest co-host with plenty to cover: the Republican disarray in the Speaker of the House vote, the E.U. fining Meta for privacy violations, and Twitter allowing political advertising back on the platform. Also, Donald Trump could get his Facebook account back, and Elon Musk’s year is off to a rough start. Plus, SBF’s former allies are cooperating, and tech layoffs continue.

You can find Audie on Twitter at @AudieCornish, and can listen to her podcast “The Assignment with Audie Cornish” wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Today we're sharing an episode of The Prof G Pod, Scott Galloway's other favorite podcast. Enjoy!

Mark Zandi, the chief economist of Moody’s Analytics joins to discuss the economy, including geopolitical uncertainty, the housing market, and why he’s not all that concerned about a possible recession. Follow Mark on Twitter, @Markzandi.

Scott opens with his thoughts on investing in Chinese stocks.

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Today we're sharing an episode of On with Kara Swisher - her other favorite podcat.

Elon Musk is a puzzle, but if there’s anyone who can make sense of him it’s Kara Swisher. She’s covered him since the late 90s – back in her early days as a beat reporter at the Wall Street Journal and she’s had many in-depth interviews and exchanges with the tech titan since, perhaps more than any other reporter. She’s also covered Elon’s latest fiefdom, Twitter, before it even was Twitter. So today we turn the tables, and Kara Swisher is “On” with Nayeema Raza.

We’ll unpack how Elon became Elon, why Kara came to believe he was one of the greatest visionaries in Silicon Valley, when exactly she soured on him — and why she still holds out some hope.

You can find Kara and Nayeema on Twitter @karaswisher and @nayeema.

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Enjoy this episode of On with Kara Swisher!

From the high speed train wreck at Twitter to the extradition of a fallen crypto kingpin and an AI that can rewrite your dating profile, there’s a lot happening in tech right now. Today, Nayeema moderates a conversation with Kara Swisher and Casey Newton, the tech reporter who runs the Platformer substack. They break down the biggest stories of 2022. And they look at what lies ahead in 2023. Will there be less billionaire grift? Is this the year that AI takes your job? And, ok Google, could this be the year of revenge for Bing? 

This conversation was taped in front of a live audience at Manny’s in San Francisco. 

You can find Kara and Nayeema on Twitter @karaswisher and @nayeema.

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We're looking back at the BIGGEST stories of the year. And what a year! When 2022 began, Russia enjoyed somewhat normal relations with the West, many Covid measures were still in place, Queen Elizabeth II reigned, and Big Tech was entering a second decade of economic dominance. Nothing lasts forever.

Also: Kara and Scott's best brags, insults, and wins for the year.

Happy 2023! Eat it, 2022!

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Kara and Scott look back on a year of predictions. What did they get right? What did Elon ruin? We’ll tally up the wins and losses around super-acquisitions, metaverse real estate, Trump’s SPAC, and, or course, Twitter. Also, friends of Pivot weigh in with their own predictions about augmented reality, privacy, and more.

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Kara and Scott open the ol' listener mailbag to answer queries about LinkedIn etiquette, Microsoft products, and why Jack Dorsey is the best CEO ever. Also, a Pivot listener may have saved someone's life.

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Shortly after we recorded this episode, Sam Bankman-Fried was arrested in the Bahamas. Don't worry, the takes in here are still fresh.

The Respect for Marriage Act is headed to President Biden’s desk, and Sam Bankman-Fried will appear before the House Committee on Financial Services... actually, maybe not. Also, Twitter Blue is making a return, and the FTC has sued to block Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision-Blizzard. Then, a spirited listener voicemail on Kara and Scott’s discussions about Twitter.

We’ll be back with a Listener Mail episode on Friday!

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Twitter ads are showing up on white nationalist profiles, and some big names exit Salesforce. Also, Congress killed the Journalism and Competition Preservation Act, and the divide between the U.S. and China is growing in the tech industry. Plus, Sunny Balwani has been sentenced, and Britney Griner is free. Kara and Scott are joined by Friend of Pivot, Congressman Ro Khanna about the Twitter Files, and his emails.

You can find Congressman Ro Khanna at @RoKhanna on Twitter.

We’re nominated for a Signal Award for Best Co-Host Team! You can vote for us here.

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In another big week for content moderation, internal Twitter emails detailing the decision to block the Hunter Biden laptop story were released, and Ye was suspended from Twitter. Then, welcome to Prof G University: Scott helps us understand how to make good business decisions for stakeholders. Plus, The DOJ wants an independent review into FTX’s bankruptcy, Tim Cook is on damage control on Capitol Hill, and Trump wants to flush the constitution down the toilet.

Then, we’re joined by our Friend of Pivot, Nobel Prize winner Maria Ressa, to talk about democracy and dictatorship. Maria’s new book, “How to Stand Up to a Dictator: The Fight For Our Future,” is out now.

You can find Maria on Twitter at @mariaressa.

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Elon Musk calls a truce with Tim Cook after picking a series of fights with Apple. Kara and Scott review Sam Bankman-Fried's publicity tour, and discuss the Senate's passage of the Respect for Marriage Act. Finally, this episode's listener question comes in via carrier pigeon.

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Guest host William D. Cohan joins Kara to discuss the latest developments in the Twitter saga: banned accounts will return! Apple could ban Twitter from the App Store! Elon drinks caffeine-free Diet Coke?! Also, protests in China could disrupt Apple. Friend of Pivot Anand Giridharadas joins to discuss his latest book, "The Persuaders," and how clear, concise messaging could help save democracy.

Suggested reading:

"Power Failure: The Rise and Fall of an American Icon" by @williamcohan

"The Persuaders: At the Front Lines of the Fight for Hearts, Minds, and Democracy" by Anand Giridharadas. You can follow Anand at @anandwrites.

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Happy Thanksgiving! Kara and Scott take a break from the news to answer all your questions about raising happy, healthy, successful Pivot listeners. Between Covid, the economy, and the always-difficult work/life balance, modern parents face unprecedented challenges. Luckily, Pivot's here to answer the What, Whys, and Hows of parenting in the age of endless distraction.

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Kara and Scott discuss Elon Musk’s latest moves, including letting Former President Trump back onto the Twitter. And Bob 1 has returned to replace Bob 2 at Disney. Also, Elizabeth Holmes was sentenced to over 11 years, and Swifties are coming for Ticketmaster. Then, they’re joined by former Waze CEO Noam Bardin to discuss his newest endeavor, Post News, a social network with the goal of paying publishers. You can join Post News here: post.news

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Apple will source chips from a plant in Arizona, in a move to lower its dependence on Taiwan. Also, Chief Twit is still at it; this time with a hustle culture ultimatum for Twitter 2.0. Also, Facebook still won’t fact check politicians, including Donald Trump, and Yale and Harvard are done participating in the U.S. News and World Report. Kara and Scott speak with Friend of Pivot and Associate Professor at St. John’s University Law School, Kate Klonick about social media moderation.

You can find Kate at @Klonick on Twitter.

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Kara and Scott discuss the latest belt-tightening measures at Amazon and Disney and the latest round of the Apple v. Epic Games antitrust fight. Also, Twitter’s shrinking workforce, Musk v. Markey, and the mysterious hack that’s just one of FTX’s mounting problems. New York Times Culture Reporter Joe Coscarelli is our Friend of Pivot. He stops by to chat about his new book, Rap Capital: An Atlanta Story.

You can follow Joe Coscarelli here.

In Wins and Fails, Kara and Scott discuss. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Be sure to check out this episode of Into It: A Vulture Podcast with Sam Sanders, which explores the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

AND...the latest episode of On with Kara Swisher is about Kara’s decades-long relationship with Elon Musk, why she had high hopes for him in the past, and why she’s disappointed now. Check it out here.

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Kara and Scott dissect what the FTX meltdown means for cryptocurrency, Meta's layoffs, and how the midterms might impact big tech. Friend of Pivot Jonathan Haidt stops by to talk about the impacts of social media on teens and society. And hours after our regular taping, we dragged Scott out of a fancy London bar to record an updated reaction to the latest Twitter news: Elon Musk was warning of a possible Twitter bankruptcy, while top executives were jumping ship.

You can check out more of Jonathan Haidt's work here.

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Kara and Scott question Elon Musk's sense of humor after he bans comedian Kathy Griffin (and others who spoofed his account) over the weekend. They also talk about the layoff trend in the tech industry, as Meta reportedly prepares for a massive reduction in its workforce this week. Friend of Pivot Matt Stoller stops by with reasons to be optimistic about the fight against corporate monopolies.

You can follow Matt Stoller at @matthewstoller, and subscribe to his substack, BIG, here.

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Kara is joined by guest host Kai Ryssdal, Host and Senior Editor of Marketplace! They discuss the latest dispatches from Elon Musk’s Twitter, from layoffs to subscription plans. Also, Amazon’s new post-pandemic reality, and the Fed’s latest interest rate hike. Friend of Pivot Jon Favreau stops by to break down what’s to come in the midterms.

You can find Kai on Twitter at @kairyssdal, and Jon at @jonfavs.

If you want to get involved in the last days before the midterms, visit VoteSaveAmerica.com.

You can listen to Kara’s new show, On with Kara Swisher, here.

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From a misinformation scandal to a so-called trolling campaign, Kara and Scott discuss the first few days of Elon Musk's Twitter. Also, Apple beat earnings expectations, but how long can it depend on iPhone sales? Mark Zuckerberg will testify in a case brought by the FTC, and Lula da Silva takes back the Brazilian presidency. Friend of Pivot Margaret Sullivan talks about the state of journalism and her new book, Newsroom Confidential.

You can find Margaret on Twitter at @Sulliview and Newsroom Confidential here.

Kara’s interview with John Legend will be up soon on On with Kara Swisher - click here to follow the show feed and hear that interview when it’s released.

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Kara and Scott discuss the headwinds Elon Musk and Twitter employees will face, as well as disappointing earnings reports for big tech. Warner Bros. Discovery will pay $1 billion to downsize, and Adidas has terminated its partnership with Ye. Then, a listener question for (specifically) Kara.

*Note: This episode was recorded on Thursday morning and reflects the news at that time.

You can listen to Kara’s new show, On with Kara Swisher, here.

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Elon Musk wants to layoff 75% of Twitter’s staff, and Republicans are suing Google. Amazon's getting in to home insurance, while Apple's getting in to home security. Friend of Pivot Dahlia Lithwick joins to discuss her book, “Lady Justice: Women, the Law, and the Battle to Save America,” and what the future holds for abortion rights.

You can find Dahlia on Twitter at @Dahlialithwick and can find her book here.

NEWS FLASH: Kara’s Twitter spaces on WTF is happening in England and about the rise of the right can be found in the feed for her new podcast, On with Kara Swisher, along with her interview with Nouriel Rabini.

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Netflix beat estimates for Q3 and added two million subscribers. Meta has Super-App dreams for WhatsApp, and Mark Zuckerberg is ready to take on iMessage. Plus, Twitter freezes employees' stock accounts, and an activist investor grabs a significant stake in Salesforce. Friend of Pivot Ben Smith joins Kara and Scott to talk about the state of media, and the launch of his news platform, Semafor.

You can find Ben on Twitter at @semaforben, and Semafor at semafor.com.

You can listen to Kara’s new show, On with Kara Swisher, here.

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It’s been a big week in right wing media: Kanye’s buying Parler, Murdoch may re-merge Fox and News Corp, and whistleblowers are getting fired at Truth Social. Plus, Musk is under federal investigation, stemming from his attempt to buy Twitter. Also, Apple’s mixed reality headset will scan irises, Netflix’s ad-supported tier will launch November 3rd, and in Big Grocery news, Kroger has agreed to buy Albertsons. Author and historian Anne Applebaum joins to discuss the latest in Ukraine and Russia.

You can find Anne at @anneapplebaum on Twitter.

You can listen to Kara’s new show, On with Kara Swisher, here.

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Elon Musk pushes back against reports that he had conversations with Putin, but Kara and Scott aren't having it. They also discuss Meta's new hardware and what it means for the company's overall strategy. Plus, the latest on the economy, and the $965 million Alex Jones owes Sandy Hook families.

You can listen to Kara’s new show, On with Kara Swisher, here.

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Hey Pivot listeners! The Pivot team is off for the Monday holiday, so instead of your regularly-scheduled episode, you're getting an exciting surprise: an episode of our sister podcast, On with Kara Swisher!

You're welcome, and we'll be back on Friday with more Pivot!

Donald Trump has said journalist Maggie Haberman is like his “psychiatrist” — a remark she dismisses as a meaningless and failed attempt at flattery. Yet Haberman does have a deep understanding of what makes the former president tick, cultivated through years of covering City Hall in New York City and then Donald J. Trump for The New York Times. Her recent book, “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America,” tells Trump’s origin story and chronicles his unexpected takeover of the Republican party and his consolidation of power in Washington. “He’s not a political genius,” Haberman tells Kara, “he is a genius about human emotions and a certain darkness in what animates people.” So will Trump run again in 2024? Haberman says that “he’s backed himself into a corner where he has to,” but she’s not sure whether she'll be covering him.

Before the interview, Kara and Nayeema talk about the newsmakers: Elon Musk’s about-face on the Twitter deal and Peter Thiel’s financing foray into key Senate races and ... a conservative dating app.

Don't forget to follow and subscribe to On with Kara Swisher here!

You can find Kara and Nayeema on Twitter @karaswisher and @nayeema.

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Kara and Scott give us a break down of the biggest themes of Q3, and wins and fails of the quarter. And of course, the latest with Elon and Twitter. Also, Amazon won’t make any new hires for the rest of the year, Uber’s former Security Chief has been convicted of obstructing justice, and OPEC voted to decrease oil production. A listener asks Kara and Scott to reveal their (news) sources.

*NOTE: This episode was recorded on Thursday morning and reflects news at the time.

You can listen to Kara’s new show, On with Kara Swisher, here.

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Kara and Scott are ready with the hot takes in reaction to the breaking news that Elon Musk has revived his offer to buy the social media company. They discuss everything from his possible motivations, to the financial and political implications, to whether Scott will lose his blue check mark.

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So many Elon texts. Kara and Scott discuss A-listers’ conversations with Musk, and TikTok’s wins and losses in Europe. Also, Liz Truss’s reversal on tax cuts for the wealthy, and Kim Kardashian’s crypto trouble with the SEC. Then, we’re joined by Friend of Pivot, Gabriel Debenedetti about his new book on the relationship between Joe Biden and Barack Obama.

You can find Gabriel on Twitter at @gdebenedetti, and you can buy The Long Alliance: The Imperfect Union of Joe Biden and Barack Obama here.

You can listen to Kara’s new show, On with Kara Swisher, here.

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Oprah and Apple TV cut the cord on their deal while Netflix's Dahmer series breaks records. Kara and Scott discuss what it all means for the streaming industry. Also, Apple rolls back iPhone production while Amazon rolls out new hardware. Advertisers blast Twitter after ads appear next to child abuse content, and Elon Musk and Parag Argawal’s depositions have been delayed. Plus, Italy’s recent turn to the far right.

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Tim Cook, Sir Jony Ive, and Laurene Powell Jobs unpack the life and work of Steve Jobs, the legendary Apple co-founder who changed consumer technology forever. Jobs was a regular guest at Code conferences, appearing at the first All Things D in 2003. Over the years on the Code stage, he predicted the end of the PC era, bantered with his arch-rival Bill Gates, and famously denied— and later teased— plans for the iPhone. Now, he’s remembered by three luminaries who knew him best: Cook, his protege and successor; Ives, who translated his ideas into iconic designs; and Powell Jobs, founder of Emerson Collective and Jobs’ wife of 20 years, until his death in 2011.

Recorded September 7, 2022 in Los Angeles.

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Kara and Scott discuss the growing protests in Iran, and what dramatic market declines mean for the future. They also chat about Elon's pre-trial deposition in Delaware, and how Meta allegedly bypassed Apple’s tracking transparency policy. Then, Friend of Pivot Jessica Yellin joins to discuss the neutral news trend, and her independent media company, News Not Noise.

You can find Jessica on Twitter and Instagram at @jessicayellin.

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Former White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki speaks with Kara Swisher at Code 2022. They discuss Psaki's new career at MSNBC, the state of news, and her time in the White House.

Recorded on September 8th in Los Angeles.

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The Biden administration makes a full-court press at crypto. Could a digital dollar be next? Also, the FTC wants the dirt on the Amazon/Roomba deal. Trump says he can use the power of thought to declassify documents, but there's one thing he didn't think of: a new lawsuit from NY's Attorney General. Kara and Scott take a listener question about prioritizing your career and your clients.

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Amazon CEO Andy Jassy speaks with Kara Swisher at Code 2022. Kara and Andy discuss his thoughts on unionization, returning to the office, higher wages, and tech legislation.

Recorded on September 7th in Los Angeles.

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Kara and Scott discuss the impacts of a Texas social media law, and California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s bill to protect children’s data. Also, Adobe acquired Figma. Plus, a mega stock crash at Meta, a bizarre harassment case for eBay, and Russian troll’s impact on the Women’s March. Friend of Pivot, Marta Tellado, stops by to talk about her new book, “Buyer Aware: Harnessing Our Consumer Power for a Safe, Fair, and Transparent Marketplace.”

You can find Marta on Twitter at @MLTellado.

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Bob Iger, the former CEO and Chairman of The Walt Disney Company, speaks with Kara Swisher at Code 2022. Kara and Bob discuss the winners and losers in the streaming wars, the future of movies, that time he almost bought Twitter, and what he’s up to in retirement.

Recorded on September 6 in Los Angeles.

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It’s a big week on the Hill for tech companies. Kara and Scott discuss the testimonies of TikTok COO Vanessa Pappas and Twitter whistleblower, “Mudge.” Also, California’s Attorney General sued Amazon, Patagonia’s founder is giving the company away to help fight the climate crisis, and Kara's fired up about Link Rot. Plus, you'll want to stick around for our spiciest listener question yet.

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Frances Haugen, the former Facebook employee who turned over a trove of documents known as the Facebook Files, speaks with Kara Swisher and Casey Newton at Code 2022. What was the impact of Haugen’s disclosure, and what does she still wish to see? And, ultimately, was it worth it?

Recorded on September 6 in Los Angeles.

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Kara and Scott are back to discuss the demise of a journalism antitrust bill, as well as a potential deal between Vice and a Saudi media giant. Also, Twitter says payments to a whistleblower shouldn't affect its deal with Elon Musk. Then, Friend of Pivot Mark Bergen chats about his new book, “Like, Comment, Subscribe: Inside YouTube’s Chaotic Rise to World Domination.” Plus, Scott was on Bill Maher!

You can read the statement we mentioned from Little People of America here.

Mark Bergen is on Twitter at @mhbergen.

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2022 has been a difficult year for Snap, Inc. Shortly after announcing layoffs, Snap CEO Evan Spiegel sat down with Kara and Scott to discuss the challenges facing his company, and why he thinks they can be overcome. Recorded on September 7 at Code 2022 in Los Angeles.

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Scott Galloway is back! He joins Kara at Code 2022, where they spent the week interviewing the biggest names in tech (and some presidential hopefuls) about everything from regulation to TikTok to the legacy of Steve Jobs. It was busy week: Senator Amy Klobuchar and Amazon CEO Andy Jassy make their cases for and against antitrust bills. Former Disney CEO Bob Iger may have just opened himself to a subpoena from Elon Musk. And Tim Cook had a beautifully simple solution to the phone wars.

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A previous version of this episode included regrettable language to describe little people, or people with dwarfism. It has been removed, and in our next episode we will read and respond to a listener e-mail on the topic.

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Today, we're sharing a special episode from Land of the Giants: The Facebook/ Meta Disruption. To listen to the full series from episode one, Follow Land of the Giants to get new episodes every Wednesday.

https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/land-of-the-giants

Facebook used to brag about how its tools helped politicians swing elections. Now, the platform’s relationship to politics is much more complicated. Today: the story of how one politician, again and again, forced Zuckerberg to confront his own role in democracy.

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George Hahn is back for our final Scott-Free August episode! Kara and George discuss Twitter's big changes (hello, Edit Button!), Snap’s disappearing staffers, and a photo shoot that may have laid Trump's secrets bare. Also, Elon Musk subpoenaed the Twitter whistleblower. Dr. Jeffrey Swisher joins to talk about long COVID, Monkeypox, and Kara's first cigarette.

You can find George on Twitter at @georgehahn, and Jeffrey at @jeffreyswisher.

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Today’s co-host is William D. Cohan! He and Kara discuss a dire warning from the Fed, and a potential antitrust case against Apple. Plus, Truth Social is struggling, and the @WhiteHouse Twitter is getting feisty. Charter's Kevin Delaney joins to discuss the future of work.

You can find William on Twitter at @WilliamCohan, and Kevin at @delaney

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Sam Sanders (of Vulture's podcast "Into It") joins Kara to discuss the politics of Yellowstone, the return of MoviePass, and HBO's big win with "House of the Dragon." Also, President Biden makes a big move on student loan debt, and a whistleblower says Twitter isn't safe. Plus, a listener question about nostalgia.

Check out "Into It: A Vulture Podcast with Sam Sanders" here.

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