You're Wrong About

This week, Sarah tries to solve the mystery of the Dyatlov Pass Incident, in which nine experienced ski hikers fled their shelter and ran into the frigid night for reasons unknown. Digressions include yetis, snowmobiles, and Rachel Monroe. Sarah miraculous does not sing Rilo Kiley’s “Portions for Foxes.”

Some Notes:

• The New Yorker 
• The BBC
• Cracked
• Nature
• The Atlantic
• The New York Times

Here's where to find Blair:

Website
Twitter

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Links:

https://www.blairbraverman.com/
https://twitter.com/blairbraverman
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/17/has-an-old-soviet-mystery-at-last-been-solved
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/SoLiOdJyCK/mystery_of_dyatlov_pass
https://www.cracked.com/article_16671_6-famous-unsolved-mysteries-with-really-obvious-solutions.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00393-x?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_PRODUCT&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100094349&CJEVENT=89eb6401bf5311ec83a802f70a82b824
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/02/russia-dyatlov-pass-conspiracy-theory/605863/
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/02/russia-dyatlov-pass-conspiracy-theory/605863/
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
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Where did all these prisons come from? WBEZ’s Shannon Heffernan is here to give us part of the answer, which involves “small government” (of course), Lennie Briscoe (as always), the pink flowers of Alcatraz, and a prison sweepstakes that produced the actual worst song of the 80s.

Two quick corrections via Shannon:

"I said Illinois has potential plans to shrink one prison and close another. That was an error. Both plans are about shrinking facilities.  I said CO's have a life expectancy of 56 years, the stat I meant to quote is 59 but since our interview, I discovered that statistic (and the stat about divorce) to be from studies/sources that are considered very weak so I've stopped using them."

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Website
Twitter
Motive (podcast)

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https://twitter.com/shannon_h
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This week we begin our journey into the totally true not at all made up diary that has been scaring America’s teens for fifty years. Digressions include Jell-O, magic mushrooms, and ironing your hair, and Sarah promises to trip with Carmen. “Button, Button” is by Richard Matheson.

You can hear Part 2 here and Part 3 here.

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Website

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We want to play a game. This week, Dana Schwartz stuffs us in an iron maiden and explains why the most famous Medieval torture devices are none of the above. Digressions include the Kings Cross Wax Museum, getting stabbed in the butt, and the pivot to video era.

Links to stuff discussed within:

5 Of The Most Gruesome Medieval Torture Devices [Buzzfeed]
Sutton hoo artifact [1]
Sutton hoo artifact [2]
Coat of shame [1]
Coat of shame [2]

Here's where to find Dana:

Noble Blood [podcast] and Anatomy, A Love Story [novel]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Se3knPozM&ab_channel=BuzzFeedVideo
https://www.britishmuseum.org/sites/default/files/styles/uncropped_medium/public/2019-10/gold-belt-buckle-sutton-hoo-british-museum-1000-500.jpg?itok=Tz1nO2MR
https://www.britishmuseum.org/sites/default/files/styles/uncropped_medium/public/2019-10/Purse%20lid%20from%20the%20ship-burial%20at%20Sutton%20Hoo%2C%20British%20Musem.jpg?itok=Ggs9B9_Y
https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/Coat-of-Shame.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Spansk_kappe_%282%29.jpg/440px-Spansk_kappe_%282%29.jpg

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How did the information superhighway get so gridlocked? Guest Anne Helen Petersen tells Sarah the story of how email took over the world and our working lives, and what it would mean for us to get a little of our lost time back. Plus, a Kurt Loder cameo.

Here’s where to find Anne:

• Twitter
• Substack

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What do Chopin, Kylie Jenner, baby carrots, and the War of the Worlds all have in common? They’re all part of Sarah and Chelsey Weber-Smith’s speedrun  through common misconceptions—plus a little Satanic Panic, as a treat.

Here’s where to find Chelsey:

Chelsey + American Hysteria

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Some links + ephemera referred to in this episode:

• Baby Carrots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxwRmsCRb4
• War of the Worlds: https://slate.com/culture/2013/10/orson-welles-war-of-the-worlds-panic-myth-the-infamous-radio-broadcast-did-not-cause-a-nationwide-hysteria.html
• Juliet's Balcony: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/10/romeo-and-juliets-balcony-scene-doesnt-exist/381969/
• Is that a chicken: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UxxGOYmC1u0
  
  

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Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess) tells Sarah about Linda Taylor and the origins of the Welfare Queen myth ("the build the wall" of the 70s). They also discuss the origins of the Ronald Reagan myth, and how the latter used the former to become the "Beyoncé of the GOP."

Here’s where to find Laci:

Laci on Twitter
Laci's podcast Scam Goddess

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Some articles referred to in this episode:

• http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/linda_taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villain.html
• https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/the-queen-linda-taylor-welfare-reagan-podcast.html
• https://www.littlebrown.com/titles/josh-levin/the-queen/9780316513272/
• https://www.earwolf.com/episode/the-welfare-queen-w-ayo-edebiri/
• https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen

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https://twitter.com/DivaLaci
https://www.earwolf.com/show/scam-goddess/
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What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn’t one today. Josh Gondelman is here to laugh and cry with us, and to unpack the heaps of big feelings in Groundhog Day. 

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Josh Gondelman can be found on Twitter and right here.

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Josie Duffy Rice and Sarah discuss the role of junk science in the criminal justice system. It is a big turkey to carve up and Josie serves Sarah a bleakly empowering feast.
 
 Here’s where to find Josie

Josie on Twitter
Josie's website

Correction (February 22, 2022): The initial release of this episode included the suggestion that medical examiners do not need MDs. In the unedited conversation, Josie corrected herself on this point, but we inadvertently removed it in the edit. The episode has since been edited to remove any confusion regarding this point.

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Some articles referred to in this episode:

• https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-forensic-science-commission-blood-spatter-evidence-testimony-murder-case-joe-bryan
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTa-PWdjX-Q
• https://features.propublica.org/blood-spatter/joe-bryan-conviction-blood-spatter-forensic-evidence/
• https://forensicdental.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/bitemark-analysis-problems-disclosed-10-years-ago-by-cbs-60-minutes/

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http://www.josieduffyrice.com/
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In this final installment of the Amityville Horror Winter Book Club, Sarah tells guest host Jamie Loftus about Jodie the Demon Pig's scary hooves, the catharsis of exorcism, and how the book kinda debunks itself.

Here's where to find Jamie:

The Bechdel Cast [podcast] My Year in Mensa [podcast] and Aack Cast [podcast] 

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https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-my-year-in-mensa-55379945/
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-aack-cast-by-jamie-loftus-83922273/
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Willa Paskin (of Slate's Decoder Ring) brings Sarah back to 2005, when Tom Cruise jumping on a couch became the talk of the town.

We will return to Amityville (part 3 of 3) next time!
 
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Decoder Ring

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Tom Cruise on the couch notes

Oprah episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=930BhfJxFxU

Tom Cruise Kills Oprah meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRbhE3GRiUE

Amy Nicholson's revelatory piece reframing Tom Cruise and the couch jump: https://www.laweekly.com/how-youtube-and-internet-journalism-destroyed-tom-cruise-our-last-real-movie-star/

Rich Juzwiak piece on the meaning of the couch jump: https://www.gawker.com/5912665/gone-and-back-tom-cruises-couch-jumping-remembered

New York Times hand wringing about the event: 

• https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/02/movies/how-personal-is-too-personal-for-a-star-like-tom-cruise.html
• https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/fashion/sundaystyles/i-love-you-with-all-my-hype.html
• https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/opinion/two-top-guns-shoot-blanks.html

A few other interesting, what it all meant pieces:

• https://www.laineygossip.com/looking-back-on-tom-cruise-maniacal-couch-jumping-on-oprah-fifteen-years-later/66337
• https://www.theringer.com/tv/2018/8/1/17631658/tom-cruise-oprah-couch-jump

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Sarah's other show, You Are Good 

[YWA co-founder] Mike's other show, Maintenance Phase

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https://slate.com/podcasts/decoder-ring
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Jessica Chastain and Sarah discuss Tammy Faye Bakker. Chastain is the star and a producer of the new film The Eyes of Tammy Faye. 

After Jessica and Sarah’s chat, they introduce this episode about Tammy Faye Bakker and Jessica Hahn from the early days of You’re Wrong About.

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“She only said one thing her whole life”: Sarah tells Mike how two decent women became scapegoats for the actions of one terrible man. Digressions include Larry Flynt, NPR tote bags and Playboy back issues. This episode contains a detailed description of a sexual assault [01:02:40 - 01:17:05]

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Sarah continues telling guest host Jamie Loftus about the Amityville Horror, and the two touch on ghosts, fallen angels, poltergeists, the space race and intimidating pictures of Mandy Moore.
 
Here's where to find Jamie:

The Bechdel Cast [podcast] My Year in Mensa [podcast] and Aack Cast [podcast] 

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https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-my-year-in-mensa-55379945/
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-aack-cast-by-jamie-loftus-83922273/
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Sarah tells guest host Jamie Loftus about the Amityville Horror, how it’s a Christmas story, and why buying murder furniture might not be such a great idea.
 
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The Bechdel Cast [podcast] My Year in Mensa [podcast] and Aack Cast [podcast] 

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https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-my-year-in-mensa-55379945/
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Jamelle Bouie explains to Sarah what the Reconstruction era was, why it remains relevant today, and how this history lesson is one that could get some high school teachers into legal trouble due to passage of anti-CRT laws.

Jamelle at the New York Times
Jamelle's podcast Unclear and Present Danger
Jamelle discussing the Electoral College on YWA
Jamelle talking with Sarah about the Saw series on You Are Good. 

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unclear-and-present-danger/id1592411580
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1112270/episodes/6380692
https://www.podpage.com/you-are-good/sawniverse/
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Emma Berquist stops by to tell us about how true crime doesn't have to make us better people, and in fact may be more harmful to us than we realize—but we don't let her in, because we don't want to get KILLED!

Content advisory: This episode contains some brief descriptions of a violent knife attack.

Episode Info + Links: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1112270/episodes/9590031

Emma's article, "True Crime is Rotting our Brains" 

Emma's Twitter
Emma's books

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https://www.emmaberquist.com/devils-unto-dust
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Special Guest Jamie Loftus tells Sarah about Ed and Lorraine Warren (of The Conjuring and Annabelle fame). Topics of interest include Connecticut as a locus of scary happenings, New England uncles, and psychic communication with a tearstained Bigfoot. 

Here's where to find Jamie:

The Bechdel Cast [podcast] My Year in Mensa [podcast] and Aack Cast [podcast] 

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https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-my-year-in-mensa-55379945/
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Special guest Dana Schwartz tells Sarah about Catherine the Great. Topics of interest include the very not great life of serfs, the accidental flattening of women via the girl-bossification of history, and a very solid Bertie Wooster reference.

Here's where to find Dana:

Noble Blood [podcast] and Anatomy, A Love Story [novel]

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From our friends at Maintenance Phase, the story of how Nestlé executives, global health institutions and a very racist white lady seeded a nutritional myth we're still living with today.

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Mike tells Sarah how a tragic story became a national punchline and a decades-long moral panic. Digressions include a sympathetic psychic, a paternalistic principal and a manure mishap. Mike appears to be unaware of the difference between a cousin and a nephew.

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Links!

• Distorting the Law: Politics, Media, and the Litigation Crisis 
• Java Jive: Genealogy of a Juridical Icon
• Newsweek’s “Lawsuit Hell” story
• Retro Report’s “The Misunderstood McDonald's Hot Coffee Lawsuit
• Adam Ruins Everything’s “The Truth About the McDonald's Coffee Lawsuit”
• Swindled’s “The Lawsuit”
• Susan Saladoff's "Hot Coffee" documentary
• McTorts: The Social and Legal Impact of McDonald's Role in Tort Suits
• Legal Urban Legends Hold Sway
• Revisiting The United States Application Of Punitive Damages: Separating Myth From Reality
• Six Myths of Capping Pain and Suffering Damages
• The Monster In The Television: The Media's Contribution To The Consumer Litigation Boogeyman
• The Beginning And The Possible End Of The Rise Of Modern American Tort Law
• Debunking Medical Malpractice Myths: Unraveling the False Premises Behind "Tort Reform"
• Blocking the Courthouse Door: How the Republican Party and Its Corporate Allies Are Taking Away Your Right to Sue

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While our next episode's in the oven,  enjoy this gem from the YWA vault!

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This week, the defense hires Alan Dershowitz, Marcia Clark questions witnesses and Jill Shively tries to get a salad. Digressions include narcissism, "Hard Copy" and the dad from "The Wonder Years." Susan Herman, the voice of reason in our Charlie Rose clip, is the Ruth Bader Ginsburg Professor of Law at Brooklyn Law School.

This episode includes descriptions of domestic violence.

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The Charlie Rose panel
The first day of 'prelims'

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This week we debunk Mike Warnke right out of his cabin and into the lake, using Cornerstone Magazine’s long overdue exposé as our guide. Digressions include "Star Trek," a classic New Yorker cover and Ariana Grande. We definitively conclude that the Bible endorses cancel culture.
This episode, we’re sorry to say, includes detailed descriptions of domestic abuse.

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We finish our San Bernardino joyride through Mike Warnke’s 1972 “memoir” with a hex, a horrible crime and a Satanic celebrity cameo. Digressions include digressions include Billie Eilish, wicker men and today’s completely new and not at all throwback panic over critical race theory.

This episode includes a wildly fake but nonetheless disturbing description of a sexual assault.

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We continue our journey through Mike Warnke's 1972 "memoir" about his rise through the ranks of Satan Inc.  This week, Mike gets a promotion, attends a regional conference and dabbles in some light human trafficking. Despite filling this book with his wildest imaginings, he cannot conceive of a non-patriarchal institution.

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Sarah and Mike return to Camp You're Wrong About for another Satanic Panic story hour. This time we're talking about Mike Warnke's 1972 "memoir" about joining a demonic cult and the California hedonism that made him do it. Digressions include thrift stores, "Firestarter" and unjust Best Picture winners.

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Mike and Sarah have big feelings about an enduring debate. Digressions include “Carrie,” party planning etiquette and Whole Foods cafeterias. Sarah’s sound quality changes midway through because she moves from a McDonald’s parking lot to a Hardee’s parking lot.

Special thanks to Meredith Clark and Allissa Richardson for helping us with the history section of this episode!

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• Natalie Wynn's "Canceling" 
• Drag Them: A brief etymology of so-called “cancel culture”
• The Long and Tortured History of Cancel Culture
• The strange journey of ‘cancel,’ from a Black-culture punchline to a White-grievance watchword
• Why Attacking ‘Cancel Culture’ And ‘Woke’ People Is Becoming The GOP’s New Political Strategy
• Tales From the Teenage Cancel Culture
• Generational Cycles in American Politics, 1952–2016
• It’s Not Callout Culture. It’s Accountability.
• An Incomplete (but growing) History of Harassment Campaigns since 2003
• The State of Online Harassment
• “Did We Create This Monster?” How Twitter Turned Toxic 
• Morally Motivated Networked Harassment as Normative Reinforcement
  
  

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Mike tells Sarah about an impending conflict, a dissident singer and America's first internet-enabled cancellation. Digressions include "Freedom Fries" and 1990s record company shenanigans. The co-hosts harmonize for the first time; Mike struggles not to call the Chicks by their former name.

Content note: This episode includes misogynistic, racist and fatphobic language.

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• The Chicks' "Ready to Run" video
• Karen Pittelman's "Another Country"
• James Dickerson’s “Dixie Chicks: Down-Home and Backstage”
• Elites, Masses, and Media 
• Too Famous to Protest: Far-Right Online Community Bonding Over Collective Desecration of Colin Kaepernick, Fame, and Celebrity Activism
• Blacklists: The Dixie Chicks Controversy 
• Chicks in the Wilderness
• Chicks In the Line of Fire
• The Dixie Chicks Were Cancelled For Criticizing The President. Now, They’re Heroes.
• We’re Changing The Way We Do Business: A Critical Analysis Of The Dixie Chicks And The Country Music Industry
• The Country Connection: Country Music, 9/11, and the War on Terrorism
• Free Expression After September 11th: An Online Index
• Freedom Under Fire: Dissent in Post-9/11 America
• Exploring Iraq War News Coverage and a New Form of Censorship
• The LSE's analysis of the Freedom Fries controversy
• Destroying The Dixie Chicks – Ten Years After
• AOC’s Anti-Fans
• Racial Profiling And The War On Terror: Changing Trends And Perspectives
• Man Eats Dogs: The Hot Dog Stands of Chicago 

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Mike tells Sarah how liberal magazines turned a "kids these days" moral panic into a national crisis. Digressions include Law & Order, Dave Foley and swimming pool etiquette. This episode contains detailed descriptions of sexual assault, mass shootings and suicide.

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• John Wilson’s The Myth of Political Correctness
• Jon Weiner's Historians in Trouble
• Neil Gross’s Why Are Professors Liberal and Why Do Conservatives Care?
• Political Correctness: How The Right Invented A Phantom Enemy
• The Fraying Of America
• The Rising Hegemony of the Politically Correct
• Are You Telling Me That I'm Politically Correct?
• Are You Politically Correct?
• The Rising Hegemony of the Politically Correct
• There Is No Campus Free Speech Crisis: A Close Look at the Evidence

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Bob Shapiro is on a mission from God, F. Lee Bailey joins the Dream Team, and we get in our DeLorean to meet two of the most notorious Florida Men of the '60s: Carl Coppolino and Murph the Surf. Digressions include Linda Evangelista, Patty Hearst, "The Commitments" and the upside of peaking in your 50s.

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Special guest Cassie da Costa tells Mike and Sarah how Vanessa fell from grace and picked herself back up. Digressions include Stephen Sondheim, Rush Limbaugh and Joan Rivers. The tyranny of abs is discussed at length.

Here's Cassie's episode of You Must Remember This and her website!

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Mike reached new levels of rantiness on his other show and we wanted to make sure all our beloved debunkmates knew. PLUS: A special announcement!

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Mike tells Sarah how a 20-year-old singer, actress and French horn player became Miss America with less than six months of practice. Digressions include Ted Bundy, Stephen King’s “It” and a bonus debunking of the "bra-burning feminist" trope. We're sorry to say that this episode includes a description of child sexual abuse. 

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• Opening musical number
• Vanessa introduces herself
• Talent competition
• Swimsuit
• Vanessa wins!

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• Sarah's Miss America piece!
• Vanessa and Helen’s memoir, “You Have No Idea”
• Margot Mifflin’s “Looking for Miss America”
• Vanessa Williams, Whitney Houston and Hollywood’s Misogynoir Problem
• Vanessa Williams: A Beauty Queen’s Crown of Thorns
• Miss America--The Inside Story
• First Black Miss America Finds Unforeseen Issues
• Ain’t I a Beauty Queen?: Black Women, Beauty, and the Politics of Race 
• Life with Daughters: Watching the Miss America Pageant
• 'A Felony Just to Own': The Sleazy Story Behind Penthouse’s Most Controversial Issue
• There She Goes, Miss America
• Most Famous Miss America In History
• 1989 People magazine article
• In Black and White
• Putting on a Happy Face

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Sarah's other show has a special guest! Maintenance Phase co-host Aubrey Gordon visits Why Are Dads to talk about Christopher Nolan, trash masculinity and the dwindling number of non-problematic superheroes.

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To tell the story of the "dream team" we must begin by going back to the future. This week we learn why O.J. Simpson fired the man who defended John DeLorean and why a briefcase of cocaine isn’t always a smoking gun. Digressions include Bob’s Big Boy, Margaret Thatcher and the Fonz. 

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• 1970 GTO Humbler commercial 
• 1981 DeLorean commercial
• Howard Weitzman on John DeLorean in 2013 
• The "better than gold" tape 
• John DeLorean Reinvented The Dream Car. Then He Totaled It.
• Delorean is Freed 
• Key Witness Against DeLorean Begins Testimony 
• Government Paid Informer 

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Mike tells Sarah the real reason Congress called a bunch of rockers to Washington D.C. Digressions include cartoon violence, sleeveless tees and Trixie Mattel. Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" and Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" are dissected at length. 

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• The hearing transcript 
• Dee Snider's memoir
• Frank Zappa's memoir
• Running with the Devil: Power, Gender, and Madness in Heavy Metal Music
• Music-Evoked Emotions—Current Studies
•  Don’t Let The Man Get You Down: Rock and Roll and The Development of The Parents’ Music Resource Center
• Save the Children: The Parents’ Music Resource Center and Media Activism
• Highway to Hell: Laws, Lawsuits, and Moral Panic over Heavy Metal Music
• The Parents’ Music Resource Center: From Information to Censorship
• “Leer-Ics” or Lyrics: Teenage Impressions of Rock 'n' Roll
• Parental Advisory – Explicit Content: The Parents Music Resource Center, Conservative Music Censorship, and the Protection of Children
• Andrew Hartman’s A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars
• The Effects of Violent Music on Children and Adolescents
• A Comparative Historical Analysis of Post-war Moral Panics and the Construction of Youth from 1938 to 2010

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Mike tells Sarah how a congressional wife started a moral crusade. Digressions include Sheena Easton, Satanic rhymes and teen homicide statistics. Ozzy Osbourne's bat story is recounted in full.

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• Save the Children: The Parents’ Music Resource Center and Media Activism
• Everything you need to know about Ozzy Osbourne biting the head off a bat in Des Moines
• Highway to Hell: Laws, Lawsuits, and Moral Panic over Heavy Metal Music, 
• The Emergence of Youth Suicide: An Epidemiologic Analysis and Public Health Perspective
• The Role of Gun Supply in 1980s and 1990s Youth Violence
• The Parents’ Music Resource Center: From Information to Censorship
• Parental Advisory – Explicit Content: The Parents Music Resource Center, Conservative Music Censorship, and the Protection of Children
• Andrew Hartman’s A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars
• Trends in Premarital Sex in the United States, 1954–2003
• 'I'd Sell You Suicide': Pop Music and Moral Panic in the Age of Marilyn Manson
• A Comparative Historical Analysis of Post-war Moral Panics and the Construction of Youth from 1938 to 2010
• “Children Having Children,” the 1985 moral panic article in Time

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Special guest Eric Michael Garcia tells Mike and Sarah about the deep roots of a pernicious modern myth. Digressions include Mary Tyler Moore, British place names and supermodel dating habits. Mike finally gets to talk about Swedish statistical methods.

Here's some of Eric's work on autism and here's his book!

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This week, we put on our suits and head back to the courtroom. O.J. Simpson pleads not guilty, Marcia Clark finishes questioning Kato Kaelin and Bob Shapiro continues to furrow his brow. Digressions include "Speed," the Kuleshov effect and the intentional boringness of American law. In the final ten minutes, we talk briefly about the crime scene and Marcia’s reaction to it.

If you'd like to see the arraignment footage for yourself it's here.

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Mike tells Sarah how a troll-ish experiment turned a South Carolina teenager into one of the most maligned women of the 1990s. Digressions include Sally Ride, Anne Hathaway and, as usual, "Newsies." Mike struggles with the word "infirmary" throughout.

The pictures of Shannon we discuss in this episode are here.

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• Catherine Manegold's "In Glory's Shadow: Shannon Faulkner, the Citadel, and a Changing America"
• Susan Faludi’s “The Naked Citadel”
• Marching In Step: The Citadel And Post World War II America 
• A Judicial Blow for "Jane Crowism" at The Citadel in Faulkner v. Jones
• The Citadel's Lone Wolf, Shannon Faulkner
• Surviving the Company of Men
• Shannon Faulkner and The Citadel: The Effects of Using Litigation as an Instrument of Social Reform
• Saving The Males: The Sociological Implications of the Virginia Military Institute and the Citadel (since we recorded this episode we've learned that the author of this piece has been accused of sexual harassment. Apologies for not mentioning it on the show!)
• Single-Sex Education: New Perspectives and Evidence on a Continuing Controversy

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This week we talk about the early days of Paula and O.J.’s relationship and the celebrity cameos reach either a high or a low point. Digressions include date etiquette,  cat scams and room-temperature Diet Coke. Mike has his head in his hands for long periods. 

In this episode we discuss domestic abuse, including the violence Nicole Brown Simpson experienced and the circumstances of her 911 calls.

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This week we return to the  O.J. Simpson trial and learn what Paula Barbieri did after the Bronco chase. Digressions include fish, beef and grocery shopping while conventionally attractive. Neither co-host has a firm grasp on the meaning of the word "festive."

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• Paula on "Primetime Live" 
• The Time cover 

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Mike tells Sarah the complicated story of an over-simplified study. Digressions include Tonya Harding, "The Meg" and Kitty Genovese. The Milgram obedience studies and the "broken windows" theory of policing receive bonus debunkings.

Thanks to Thibault Le Texier for helping us with this episode! Here's his book, "The History of a Lie," and the English-language summary, "Debunking the Stanford Prison Experiment."

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• The Original Study
• Philip Zimbardo's "The Lucifer Effect"
• Zimbardo's 1973 NYT article
• David Jaffee’s precursor study at Toyon Hall
• Ben Blum's "The Lifespan of a Lie"
• The Stanford prison experiment in introductory psychology textbooks: A content analysis
• The Real Lesson of the Stanford Prison Experiment
• Revisiting the Stanford Prison Experiment: Could Participant Self-Selection Have Led to the Cruelty?
• Interpersonal Dynamics in a Simulated Prison: A Methodological Analysis
• The Obedience Alibi: Milgram's Account of the Holocaust Reconsidered
•  Obedience in Perspective: Psychology and the Holocaust
• Unchaining the Stanford Prison Experiment: Philip Zimbardo’s famous study falls under scrutiny
• The Secrets of Abu Ghraib Revealed: American Soldiers on Trial

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Mike tells Sarah what makes older Americans more vulnerable to misinformation — and who is delivering it to them. Digressions include "Supernatural," the Rachel and a fake university in Pennsylvania. We recorded this episode before the election but tried not to make it too obvious.

Here's the article Mike wrote with all the research he did for this episode: 

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Sarah tells Mike about the thrilling conclusion to a children’s labor action and an overlooked Disney musical. Digressions include cronuts, carrier pigeons and Sylvester Graham’s crackers.  Both hosts agree that they love saying the word "papes."

Most of the information in this episode comes from Sarah's two new favorite books, Vincent DiGirolamo’s “Crying the News” and David Nasaw’s “Children of the City.” And here's the link to the newsboy footage we watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gatfLuD-Do

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Sarah tells Mike about media history, labor organizing, century-old moral panics — and the unlikely Disney musical that introduced her to all three. Digressions include Sting, "The Princess Bride" and 19th century graphic design. Both co-hosts recount their extremely millennial work histories.

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Was Harvey Milk's killer really given a light sentence after claiming that junk food made him do it? Mike's spinoff podcast, Maintenance Phase, dives into the rumor and finds a very You're Wrong About twist. 

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Topical episode! Special guest Jamelle Bouie tells Sarah and Mike about his problematic Founding Father faves and the bewildering institution they handed down to us. Digressions include '70s lapels, "Reversal of Fortune" and the Eurovision Song Contest. The filibuster rule and the three-fifths compromise receive bonus debunkings.

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“You can be a hot mess express and still leave the world better than you found it.” In the final episode of our series, we talk about Diana’s untimely death and the everlasting conspiracy theories surrounding it. Digressions include RPGs, Madonna and Tickle Me Elmo. This episode contains spoilers for the movie “The Queen.”

Here's the photos and clips we talked about in this episode:
https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/11/09/princess-diana-part-5/

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