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This week, Diana leaves the royal family with her reputation intact and her title slightly edited. Digressions include "Love Actually," "Pride and Prejudice" and Marie Antoinette. Both co-hosts reveal their staunch affirmative stance on wine moms. Unfortunately, this episode includes descriptions of self-harm.

Here's the photos and clips we talked about in this episode:
https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/11/01/princess-diana-part-4-the-divorce/

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What if the scariest thing in America is unfettered capitalism and unaccountable corporations?

Sources: https://rottenindenmark.org/2018/06/30/the-exxon-valdez-oil-spill/

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 Mike comes on Sarah’s new show to talk about robots, dads, the little metal hands guys and "Terminator 2: Judgment Day." An Oops! All Pop Culture episode of You’re Wrong About.

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Mike has a new podcast! Here's the first episode, in which he debunks the absurd Cold War trauma factory that was once administered to 75% of American children. 

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This week, Mike and Sarah dissect the Creepy Encounters subreddit and how to handle our creepy feelings in an unsafe time and place.  Digressions include Carol Kane, McDonald's and Uber.  Sarah wonders if human traffickers have taken serial killers’ jobs. 

Here's Mike's new podcast! http://maintenancephase.com

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• "I was almost sex trafficked and didn’t realize until nearly a year later"
• "Homeless lady approaches my car while i’m eating alone at the Mcdonald’s, doesn’t realize i’m not stupid"
• "Do not let your Uber Driver cancel your ride while in the car"

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This week, Diana swaps out her husband for a Horse Dude and Mike and Sarah act out other people's PG-13 dirty talk. Digressions include shoulder pads, Billy Joel and "Seinfeld" (twice!). There's a moment 55 minutes in that is going to make you feel very weird. As with previous installments, this episode contains detailed descriptions of disordered eating.

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This week, Diana gets married, joins her new family and meets the press.
Digressions include Judy Garland, Edward Cullen and the AITA subreddit. Unfortunately, this episode includes detailed descriptions of suicide attempts and eating disorders.

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https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/10/05/princess-diana-part-2-the-wedding/

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We start our new series with the story of a girl, a prince and the society that convinced them they liked each other. Digressions include camels, Beyoncé and the idiosyncrasies of British place names. We're sorry to say that this episode has detailed descriptions of disordered eating.

Here's a link to the photos and clips we discuss in this episode: https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/09/28/princess-diana-part-1-the-courtship/

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• Andrew Morton's "Diana: Her True Story in Her Own Words"
• Tina Brown's "The Diana Chronicles"
• Hillary Mantel's "Royal Bodies"
• Zoë Heller's "Where Prince Charles Went Wrong" (Mike said it was Adam Gopnik on the show! That sucks and he's sorry!)

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For our 100th episode, American Hysteria host Chelsey Weber-Smith visits our campfire to tell us about the time America was besieged by a killer clown panic ... and then the time it happened all over again. Digressions include Jon Stewart, "The Blair Witch Project" and John Wayne Gacy. Sarah coyly references the Hartford circus fire several times but no one seems to notice.”

If you want to skip the 100th-episode stuff, the Clown Content begins around 10:15.

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& on Twitter: @amerhysteria 

Chelsey's "Phantom Clowns" episode:
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“It’s like these men are being held in a bubble as science marches forward.” Mike tells Sarah how one of history's most unethical experiments came crashing down. Digressions include the history of penicillin, the power of TV movies and the mysterious diagnosis of "Satan's crabs." This episode is happier than the last one, but still contains a lot of racist language and some grisly Nazi examples toward the beginning.

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• Under the Shadow of Tuskegee: African Americans and Health Care
• Examining Tuskegee: The Infamous Syphilis Study and Its Legacy
• Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
• Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present
• The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Medical Research versus Human Rights
• “There Wasn't a Lot of Comforts in Those Days:” African Americans, Public Health, and the 1918 Influenza Epidemic
• The Study Of Untreated Syphilis In The Negro Male
• Racism and Research: The Case of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study
• The 1972 Ebony article
• The Discovery of Penicillin—New Insights After More Than 75 Years of Clinical Use
• Syphilis Victims in U.S. Study Went Untreated for 40 Years
• The Rhetoric of Dehumanization: An Analysis of Medical Reports of The Tuskegee Syphilis Project

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Mike tells Sarah about the longest "non-therapeutic" experiment in medical history. Digressions include deep fried ice cream, Kato Kaelin and a hot-yoga cabinet. As a warning, this episode contains long quotes from eugenic memos and detailed descriptions of medical racism. We promise to do a happier episode soon.

Huge thanks to Susan Reverby, Vanessa Northington Gamble and Lillian Head for helping Mike with the research for this episode!

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• Under the Shadow of Tuskegee: African Americans and Health Care
• Examining Tuskegee: The Infamous Syphilis Study and Its Legacy
• Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
• Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present
• The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Medical Research versus Human Rights
• Rethinking the Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Nurse Rivers, Silence and the Meaning of Treatment
• “There Wasn't a Lot of Comforts in Those Days:” African Americans, Public Health, and the 1918 Influenza Epidemic
• The Study Of Untreated Syphilis In The Negro Male
• Nurse Eunice Rivers: Marching to Doctor's Orders in the Tuskegee Syphilis Study in the Jim Crow South
• Racism and Research: The Case of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study
• The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment: Medical Ethics, Constitutionalism, and Property in the Body
• The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment: Biotechnology And The Administrative State

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This week, Sarah makes a Nancy Grace-style argument against the prosecution. Digressions include '90s romantic comedies, Betty Broderick and flatscreen TVs.


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Sarah tells Mike about her new foray into Dad Studies and, for the second time this week, discusses a horror movie about families from 1975 and sings a little.

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Sarah tells Mike about the real-life conspiracy written between the lines of a 1970s horror novel. Digressions include "Rosemary's Baby (again), Disney World (of course), a brief history of the American pharmaceutical industry and a long recipe for stew.

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• "She Touched Me" from "Drat! The Cat!" -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G69_Fx_YVuU
• The Carousel of Progress- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmrSiJTMf7s
• The Magic Worlds of Walt Disney – National Geographic August 1963 -- https://disneyavenue.wordpress.com/category/national-geographic-aug-63/
• "More Work for Mother" by Ruth Schwartz Cowan https://www.google.com/books/edition/More_Work_For_Mother/9YM1tAEACAAJ?hl=en
• "The Age of Anxiety" by Andrea Tone https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Age_of_Anxiety/sgkXBQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=age+of+anxiety&printsec=frontcover
• "The Battered Parent Syndrome" ad for Milton - http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/medshow/fembps1.html
• "The Magic Bullet" by Heather Radke, on Miltown - https://www.topic.com/the-magic-bullet
• "The Family That Built an Empire of Pain" by Patrick Radden Keefe, on the Sackler family -- https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/30/the-family-that-built-an-empire-of-pain
• "Dopesick" by Beth Macy https://www.google.com/books/edition/Dopesick/23BBDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=dopesick+macy&printsec=frontcover

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In another "mini" episode that accidentally turned mega, Mike tells Sarah about the Wayfair conspiracy theory and the sketchy statistical screenshots that have shown up in its wake. Digressions include "Inside Llewyn Davis," Miranda Priestley and (sigh) Jeffrey Epstein. This episode contains, we're sorry to say, detailed descriptions of child abuse.

We recommend listening to this episode alongside our "Human Trafficking" episode from last year, which contains much more context for understanding this issue: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/human-trafficking/id1380008439?i=1000465289965

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Mike tells Sarah how a silly sports promotion galvanized a reactionary movement. Digressions include “Charlotte’s Web,” Jane Fonda and German-language musicals. Songs are dissected; the honor of David Bowie and late-night salad bars are defended.

Huge thanks to historians Tavia Nyong'o, Eric Gonzaba, Luis-Manuel Garcia and Gillian Frank for helping Mike with this episode!

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• Tavia Nyong'o's "I Feel Love: Disco and Its Discontents"
• Gillian Frank's excellent article on disco and his delightful podcast
• Luis-Manuel Garcia's alternate history of club culture and dissection of the gay left's opposition to disco
• Alice Echols' "Hot Stuff"  
• Bill Brewster and Frank Broughton's "Last Night a DJ Saved My Life: The History of the Disc Jockey"   
• Tim Lawrence's "Love Saves the Day: A History of American Dance Music Culture, 1970-1979" 
• Peter Shapiro's "Turn the Beat Around: The Secret History of Disco"
• Undone did a great episode on Disco Demolition Night
• “The Flip Sides of 1979”
• “Tribal Rites of the New Saturday Night,” the (fabricated) New York Magazine story that inspired “Saturday Night Fever”
• Tony Smith interview
• "Disco and The Queering of the Dance Floor"

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Mike tells Sarah about the most common forms of violence in America and how they differ (twist!) from what gets shown on TV. Digressions include Perry Mason, “It’s A Wonderful Life” and fruit-toting strategies. Mike appears not to understand the meaning of the term “order of magnitude.”

This episode contains descriptions of police violence; the last 15 minutes are just a huge bummer generally.

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• Monica Bell's "Anti-Segregation Policing"
• Daanika Gordon's "The Police as Place-Consolidators: The Organizational Amplification of Urban Inequality”
• "Homicide Investigations in Context: Exploring Explanations for the Divergent Impacts of Victim Race, Gender, Elderly Victims, and Firearms on Homicide Clearances"
• "Homicide Arrest Clearances: A Review of the Literature"
• "Assessing and Responding to the Recent Homicide Rise in the United States"
• "Can Homicide Detectives Improve Homicide Clearance Rates?"
• "Effective Police Homicide Investigations: Evidence from Seven Cities with High Clearance Rates"
• "Wrongful Convictions, Policing, and the 'Wars on Crime and Drugs'"
• "Did De-Policing Cause the Increase in Homicide Rates?"
• The DOJ's Antelope Valley Investigation
• "Explaining the Recent Decline in Domestic Violence"
• "Gender Differences in Patterns and Trends in U.S. Homicide, 1976–2015"
• "Police Responses to Violent Crime: Reconsidering the Mobilization of Law"
• "What Caused the Crime Decline?"

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This week, Sarah walks Mike through Nancy Grace’s prosecution of American juries. Cameos include Mark Geragos (again), O.J. Simpson (inevitably) and Jessica Hahn (thank God). Gus Van Sant’s masterpiece "To Die For" is discussed at length.

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Sarah and Mike tell Laura and Adrian about how we met, how we research and what we would say to Jessica Simpson if we ever met her.

Follow the The Feminist Present here: gender.stanford.edu/podcast

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This week, Nancy Grace makes her case against defense attorneys in general and Scott Peterson’s lawyer in particular. Digressions include Batman, tough on crime mixtapes and the Iraq War. After two and a half years, Sarah finds her first Satanic cult — but maybe the real Satanic cults are the friends we made along the way.

This episode summarizes the cases in Nancy Grace’s "Objection!," which include two child molestation and murder cases and a lengthy description of the autopsy report on the deaths of Laci and Connor Peterson.

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“It’s interesting that we became enthusiastic about ASL in the process of teaching it to a population that couldn’t benefit from it.”

Mike tells Sarah about a very special ape and the very problematic humans around her. Digressions include video dating, "Biography" and the terrible terrible inventor of the telephone. We start with a SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT about the future of the show. Both co-hosts understand the difference between chimps, monkeys and apes but occasionally misspeak.

For a transcript of this episode (Thanks Andrea!), click here or copy-paste:
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• Marcus Perlman, the researcher Mike interviewed!
• "Human and Animal Cognition: Continuity and Discontinuity"
• "In Memorium: Koko, A Remarkable Gorilla"
• "What Do Talking Apes Really Tell Us?"
•  “Monkey Business”
• “Talk to the Animals,” the 1980 Omni article
• “Animal Bodies, Human Minds: Ape, Dolphin, and Parrot Language Skills”
• 1979 New York Magazine article on Herb Terrace
• “The Last Distinction?”
• “The Sad Twilight of Koko The Gorilla and Her 'Mother'”
• “Why Koko Can’t Talk”
• “The Other Side of Silence: Sign Language and the Deaf Community in America”
• “The Education of Koko”

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Special guest Candace Opper tells Mike and Sarah how a grunge star became the protagonist in one of America's most persistent conspiracy theories. Digressions include Neil Young, protest songs and the coolest baby of the 1990s. Mike continues to mine his public school education for anatomically impossible rumors.

This episode contains detailed descriptions of suicide.

Pre-order Candace's book, check out her website or follow her Tweets! 

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“The criminal justice system should treat everyone like a white teenage girl whose future it’s concerned about disrupting.”

Sarah tells Mike about Melissa Drexler, the New Jersey teenager who (according to George F. Will) killed her newborn baby due to the influence of Metallica and the United States Supreme Court. Digressions include Baby Moses laws, “Citizen Ruth” and Ted Bundy’s political leanings. To the surprise of no one, we end up discussing true crime tropes in great detail.

This episode contains detailed descriptions of neonaticide.

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Sarah tells Mike how a superhero’s genesis was a supervillain’s origin story all along. In our new deep dive, we tackle Nancy Grace’s “Objection!” and debate how defendants should behave at trial, why prosecutors seem to make good daytime TV stars and whether Nancy really came to New York City with a curling iron and a dream.

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On June 17, 1994, the world screeched to a halt so 95 million Americans could watch a white SUV crawl through L.A. Today, we finally talk about the infamous Bronco chase, the men inside the car and the myth they left behind. Digressions include “The Fugitive,” Larry King and Jack Nicholson twice. Like previous episodes about the events of this day, this episode discusses suicidal ideation.

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“You really shouldn’t date people who go in thinking, ’This person has good bones but they’re a fixer-upper.’”

This week, we complete our Jessica Simpson book club with the appearance of a new man who triggers some old anxieties. Digressions include Dolly Parton, mom jeans and a forgotten Hollywood power couple. We talk about “Garden State” longer than we intended. Mike finally gets to tell the octopus story, which he thinks about all the time.

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In honor of Pride Month and revolutions past, present, and future, we're re-releasing our episode on the Stonewall Uprising. Let the sunshine in.

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“I’m being pulled into planet myth … and I like it here.”

Special guest Dana Schwartz tells Mike and Sarah how a short, brutal story became an enduring myth. Digressions include Titanic nostalgia, Princess Jasmine and Dr. Phil. A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Rasputin, Russia’s greatest love machine. 

Find Dana at her website or listen to her podcast!

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We discuss Jessica's reality-show marriage and its painfully ordinary end. Digressions include "Showgirls," "The Notebook" and Adam Levine. "Hamlet" makes an appearance; Willie Nelson and Lynda Carter give sage advice. Mike apologizes for things out of his control.

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“It’s a mess and a nightmare and maybe it’s disingenuous to think you can turn the story of someone being murdered into anything else.”

Mike tells Sarah about a missing intern, a shady politician and a nationwide obsession. Digressions include speed dial, “La La Land” and Perry Mason. The Summer of the Shark gets a bonus debunking.

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• ”Finding Chandra: A True Washington Murder Mystery”
• Gary Condit’s book, “Actual Malice”
• The Washington Post’s 13-part series on the investigation
• An American Journalism Review article on how the Chandra Levy saga took off 
• A deep dive on Condit’s Connie Chung interview

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“Her parents’ financial success is dependent on her abdomen.” This week, Jessica moves to L.A., records a video and meets a boy. The celebrity cameos escalate. Digressions include overalls, werewolves and Judy Garland. This episode unfortunately contains detailed descriptions of disordered eating.

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Our journey through late-'90s pop stardom begins with an intervention and ends with an audition. Digressions include Willie Nelson, Ozzy Osbourne, Jane Fonda and the cast of the Mickey Mouse Club. Sarah’s English degree and exercise habits make appearances. This episode, we're sorry to say, contains descriptions of sexual abuse.

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Mike tells Sarah how an obscure technical glitch became a nationwide mobilization. Digressions include Twitter beefs, “The Net” and VHS pricing. We spend much of the episode roasting our own work from the relatively recent past.

Correction: It seems the women in Britain didn't terminate their pregnancies due to the false positive test results. We were wrong about this and we're sorry!

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We conclude our book club with Michelle's escape from the dungeon. The dead baby trend continues; Jesus, the Virgin Mary and Satan’s fingernails make brief appearances. Digressions include Dustin Hoffman, “Total Eclipse of the Heart” and things that rhyme with Beelzebub.  This episode contains references to child abuse and sexual assault.

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Sarah tells Mike about the clash of the titans, the fury at the grand jury. We follow Kato, the wise fool of the kingdom, for the week between the murders and the Bronco chase. Digressions include John Travolta, French kickboxing movies and "The Mummy." The celebrity cameos are less numerous than usual but no less absurd.

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This week, our lithe psychiatrist takes his favorite patient hiking, a priest burns some furniture and Michelle tries to escape her remembering. This episode contains descriptions of kitten sacrifice, sexual abuse and three more dead babies.

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Sarah and Mike continue into the depths. With Dr. Pazder home from Mexico, he and Michelle continue their journey into her subconscious, and the stories continue to get weirder. This episode contains kitten sacrifice, and the first—but not the last—dead baby of the Satanic panic.

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“What’s sad about her has nothing to do with the content of her character.” Special guest Dana Schwartz tells Mike and Sarah how an Austrian princess became a French scapegoat. Digressions include Rubik’s Cubes, Taylor Swift and Tom Stoppard. The use of the word “bawdy” exceeds all previous episodes combined.

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Sarah and Mike continue their journey into the book that launched a thousand lawsuits. Michelle and Dr. Pazder’s relationship grows more troubling by the chapter. Digressions include orgy etiquette, sheepskin jackets and “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.” Neither co-host believes anything depicted in this book happened as described, but still want to warn you that it contains scenes of torture and sexual abuse.

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Mike tells Sarah about a dying industry, a dangerous car and the Pulitzer Prize-winning article that misrepresented them both. Digressions include “Mission Impossible,” “Friday the 13th” and the naming conventions of academic articles. This episode contains a larger-than-usual number of dad jokes and a shocking revelation about Johnny Carson.

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Sarah describes the spark that ignited the Satanic Panic. Our setting is a therapist’s office in 1976 Victoria, B.C., and our digressions include Sybil, scary paperbacks from the 80s and shouting "Fire!" on a crowded theater. This episode describes child abuse.

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In the final chapter of our series on the D.C. sniper attacks, Mike finally tells Sarah about the D.C. sniper attacks. Digressions include “The Abyss,” Ed Rooney and Jack the Ripper. We begin the episode with an update on our quarantine plans. Sarah misremembers the name of the TV show she was on.

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Sarah tells Mike about a week in the life of Marcia Clark, who became America’s most famous prosecutor on June 13, 1994. Digressions include car phones, college group work and “Titanic” (as usual). In keeping with the theme of this episode, Sarah had a bad feeling about recording without her mic screen, but Mike said it would be fine. Please excuse our p-pops.This episode contains descriptions of murder and sexual violence.

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Mike tells Sarah about the indoctrination of Lee Boyd Malvo and the beginning of the sniper attacks. Digressions include Jonestown, Greek tragedy and something called “creepy crawling.” The episode begins with a lengthy meta-discussion of true-crime tropes and whether we are playing into them. The final section includes a detailed description of a suicide attempt. 

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Valentine’s Day re-release! Sarah and Mike reflect on one of the only love stories they’ve ever covered on the show.

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“Every big fish you catch, you end up with a hole in the net.” Mike tells Sarah how America’s white-collar crime spree got so bad. Digressions include self-checkout kiosks, Barbie dolls and moonshine. Homeless shelters and teacher pay feature prominently. By the standards of this podcast, this episode is relatively upbeat.

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Mike tells Sarah how a nice Jamaican kid became the disciple of a mean American adult. Digressions include Tonya Harding (of course), “Sliding Doors” (again) and Anne of Green Gables (Sarah has an English degree). Mildred re-appears just after the hour mark. We are unable to conceive of a content warning comprehensive enough for all the horrors contained in this episode. There is less crying in this episode than the last in this series, but only slightly.

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Sarah tells Mike the ending to the story of the mimbo and the alibi. Digressions include O. Henry, Nigerian e-mail scams and Dave Coulier. Mike wildly over-simplifies the Brexit vote. 

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“If you’re black, you can’t get work as a serial killer even if you’re manifestly qualified.” Mike tells Sarah how a military veteran became an abuser, a murderer and, eventually, a footnote in his own crime spree. Digressions include Jim Jones, the Addams Family and “The Gillooly Gang.” The episode gets super dark about two-thirds in, but brightens just before the big twist. We describe—again, unfortunately—domestic abuse in great detail.

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Sarah tells Mike how an aspiring actor protected and then betrayed Nicole Brown Simpson without knowing he was doing either. Digressions include '80s movie tropes, ski-resort etiquette and the need for a process of "un-faming." Unfortunately, this episode contains graphic descriptions of violence and abuse. 

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