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President Biden and VP Harris have wrapped up dual trips to Asia, but aside from the photo ops and headlines, how effective were their efforts? Georgetown’s Rosa Brooks and Politico National Security reporter Alex Ward join David to dissect the trips, how reporters are covering Biden’s foreign policy, and balancing ideals and realpolitik when countering Russia and China. Join us for all this and more.

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Published 2023-09-13

Yascha Mounk: The Identity Trap

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Yascha Mounk’s latest book, “The Identity Trap,” explores the origins, consequences, and limitations of what has been called “wokeness” as well as the creation of the “identity synthesis”. Yascha joins David to explore his conception of the “identity synthesis”, the future of identity politics, where the conversation around identity becomes counter-productive, and more.

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Evolving technology promises revolutionary change in the intelligence community. Marc and David are joined this week by leading expert and former Directorate of Operations’ first Chief of Tradecraft and Technology Glenn Chafetz to dicsuss how information gathering and spycraft have an will continue to change with the advent of AI and more. Join us.

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With the 2024 election cycle ramping up, we’re already being inundated with polls. This week’s From the Silo features a Words Matter conversation between Norm, Kavita, and Anna Greenberg of GQR about the value of public polling in our partisan environment. 

Original Air Date: September 30, 2022

On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita talk with Anna Greenberg of GQR about the polls headed into the midterms and the broader conversation around the value of public polling in our extremely partisan environment.

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As the war in Ukraine grinds on, this week’s episode of From the Archive takes us back to the early days of Ukraine’s counter-offensive with host Rosa Brooks joined by Ed Luce and David Sanger.

Original Air Date: September 13, 2022

Ukraine has begun a massive counteroffensive which has shocked many by how effective it has been. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University sits in for David Rothkopf to talk with Ed Luce of the Financial Times and David Sanger of the New York Times about the news and what is means about the future of Russia. What is going on in Ukraine? How are these setbacks being viewed in Russia? Where is China in all of this? Find out in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it!

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Welcome to the first episode of a new weekly pod from DSR. Each week We're All Going to Die Radio will look at the big issue at where national security and technology meet, from nukes to AI. This week we consider the implications of the upcoming meeting between Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin...with former US Ambassador to Korea Mark Lippert, Russia expert Andrea Kendall-Taylor and co-hosts Jon Wolfsthal and David Rothkopf. Don't miss it.

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The latest special grand jury report from Georgia reveals recommended charges against 39 people including Senator Lindsey Graham. With Senator Graham and other high-profile individuals being named, Norm and Kavita break down DA Fani Willis’s potential course of action and more, including the latest on Trump's numerous cases.

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It's hard to separate what is important from what is spin and posturing in the many legal cases involving the disgraced former president of the United States. Fortunately, we sat down with commentator Kimberly Atkins Stohr of the Boston Globe and the Sisters-in-Law Podcast to help make sense of the latest developments. Don't miss our conversation.

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Super-empowered people like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos control not just enormous wealth but the access of people to each other and major platforms that are now deeply integrated into how society works, how our economy works, how wars are fought and more. How should they be regulated? What are the costs of their disproportionate power? Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and host David Rothkopf discuss in the context of some of today's headlines and controversies.

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Elections and tech policy expert Malika Mehrotra joins Zoe and Natalya this week to discuss the risks posed by mis- and disinformation in upcoming election cycles. They discuss Malika's early career experience in politics and how it has shaped her interest in the impact of new technology on civics and political integrity. They also touch on potential regulatory approaches and whether generative AI poses a new type of threat. 

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Published 2023-09-05

DSR Spy Show: Is Espionage a Man's World?

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It’s no secret that the espionage arena has been dominated by men. Former CIA case officer Laura Thomas joins Marc to discuss why this makes female case officers so indispensable, the effects of the ongoing harassment scandal, and why the CIA promotion system must adapt. Also, a call for accountability after the Afghan withdrawal, and the value that former USG officials bring to the private sector.

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In light of the shocking death of Yevgeny Prigozhin, today's From the Archive imagines a world without Vladimir Putin.


Original air date: May 17, 2022

As the war continues in Ukraine, Putin is looking worse for the wear. David Rothkopf speaks with Andrea Kendall-Taylor of the Center for a New American Security, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine. Does Vladimir Putin have cancer? What would happen if Putin left office? Is Turkey about to veto Finland and Sweden joining NATO? Find out on this informative and entertaining episode. Join us!

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On a special two-part episode, we’re first joined by NYU Professor and Just Security co-editor-in chief Ryan Goodman to break down the latest legal cases surrounding Donald Trump and his co-conspirators. Members will hear from Daily Beast columnist and co-host of the “Democracy-ish” podcast Wajahat Ali as he breaks down the diversification of politics and the need to preserve the progress America has made.

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School is back in session this week as Norm and Kavita tackle the latest in Trump's many trials. Trump remains the frontrunner despite a deluge of legal woes, but new information coming to light daily and the threat of the 14th amendment could imperil his candidacy. Tune in for all this and more.

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Published 2023-08-30

US Foreign Policy Scorecard

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Foreign policy has been a central focus of the Biden Administration. Now, nearly three years into the administration, Georgetown's Rosa Brooks, AEI's Kori Schake, and the New York Times's David Sanger join David to assess what has worked, what we can do better, and what we can expect in the year ahead.

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Michael’s guest this week is Australian Retired General Mick Ryan. Mick is a military analyst who served in the ADF for more than 35 years and was commander of the Australia Defence College. He is the author of War Transformed and an adjunct fellow at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington DC. Michael and MIck discuss the latest developments in the Russia-Ukraine war and what could be in store for the coming months. Don’t miss it.

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Published 2023-08-27

From the Silo: Debating the Debates

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In the wake of the first Republican debate for 2024, today’s From the Silo takes you back to October of last year, with Norm and Kavita discussing the debates from across the country during the Midterms.


Original air date: October 21, 2022


On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita talk about the recent debates in races across the country including Marco Rubio v. Val Demings, Tim Ryan v. JD Vance, and Raphael Warnock v. Herschel Walker.

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On this special episode of Foreign Office, Michael is joined by Roman Dobrokhotov, a Russian investigative journalist, political scientist and former activist and Christo Grozev, a Bulgarian investigative journalist and author and the lead Russia investigator with Bellingcat, focusing on security threats, extraterritorial clandestine operations, and the weaponization of information. The three discuss the alleged assassination of former Wagner Group Leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

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Last night’s Republican debate may not have had a clear winner, but America was the clear loser. In this special episode, David Rothkopf joins Kavita Patel and Norm Ornstein to discuss the Republican presidential debate and what it means for the future of the party, why Ramaswamy is the front-runner for most unhinged candidate, and how Donald Trump still won - even though he wasn’t there.

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Once the BRICS were thought of as potential rivals to the US and the West. Some of them still think of themselves that way. But the BRICS have not lived up to their hype and the US and the West have done better than expected. On the occasion of the BRICS Summit we discuss. We also ask the question "Why would anyone get on a plane with Yvegeny Prigozhin?" Join Rosa Brooks, Kori Schake and David Rothkopf for this far-reaching and important discussion. 

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Zoe and Natalya are joined this week by Joey Arora, partner at the Outpost, where he supports companies in securing government contracts in defense, and a former co-founder of AFWERX. They talk about Joey's path from the Air Force to entrepreneurship, trends in defense tech investing, and what every founder should know before trying to secure a government contract. If you are under 40 and interested in being featured on the podcast, be sure to fill out this form: https://airtable.com/shr5IpK32opINN5e9. 

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Maintaining alliances isn’t easy; they must be nurtured on a regular basis, which takes skill and acumen. Yet even with challenges both domestically and internationally, the US’s allies are some of its greatest assets. Since World War 2, the true brilliance of US strategy is to build genuine and sturdy alliances, politically, militarily, and in intelligence, with partners across the globe. Marc is joined by former senior CIA operations officer Jerry O’Shea, a four time station chief, to discuss why alliances are so critically important. Don’t miss it.

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Sweden is set to join NATO as Turkey drops their objections. They’ve also been staunch supporters of Ukraine in the effort against Russia. To understand Sweden’s role on the international stage, Michael speaks with Martin Kragh, Deputy Center Director of the Stockholm Center for Eastern European Studies (SCEEUS) and Senior Research Fellow at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs. Kragh's research interests include Russia's economy and history, but also the political development in Russia and the former USSR.

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Today’s From the Silo is an episode of Foreign Office from April of last year, where Michael Weiss is joined by Philips O’Brien. We hope you enjoy.

Original Air Date: 4/22/22

Phillips O'Brien, a professor a strategic studies at the University of St. Andrews, on why so many overestimated Russia's military capability.

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Today’s episode of From the Archive comes from last June, and features a conversation between David, Rosa Brooks, and Ed Luce on the latest testimony from the January 6th hearings. Enjoy.

Original Air Date: 6/22/22

On this episode of Deep State Radio, David Rothkopf is joined by Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. They discuss the latest testimony from the January 6th hearings with a particular focus on whether or not there has been enough evidence to bring charges against the former president as well as whether the Attorney General would even consider taking the case. You can read Ed Luce's piece on the subject in in the Financial Times as a primer for this episode. Don't miss it.

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With yet another indictment against Donald Trump, his 2024 chances have taken another serious blow. David is joined by the host of the Amicus podcast Dahlia Lithwick and political strategist Simon Rosenberg to analyze how the deluge of legal drama will impact the 2024 race and why the Republicans' problems go beyond Trump. Join us.

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Published 2023-08-16

Unexpected Lessons of the Ukraine War

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The war in Ukraine shows no signs of stopping. As the conflict grinds on, what are the key takeaways after nearly 18 months of fighting? Retired Lieutenant General Mark Hertling, Executive Director of the McCain Institute Dr. Evelyn Farkas, and NYT Senior Writer David Sanger join David to break down the lessons that Ukraine, the US, and the rest of the West must learn. Don’t miss it.

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Donald Trump, if reelected, has promised to gut the foreign service and put loyalists in top positions. This would also likely include an effort to eliminate whistleblowers, the people who take their oath to the Constitution seriously and place it above personal political loyalties. What would that mean? We discuss with noted whistleblower lawyer Mark Zaid. In addition, we discuss the latest from the cases against Trump with a special focus on their national security implications. Join us.

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