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Donald Trump says he's never even heard of Brett McGurk, but that's what he says whenever he feels jilted. On today's episode of Deep State Radio, Rosa Brooks stands in for David Rothkopf as host, and DSR regulars Ryan Goodman and David Sanger are joined by Brett McGurk, who hurt Trump's feelings very badly when he resigned as Special Presidential Envoy for the Global Coalition to Counter ISIL in late 2018. Rosa, Brett, David and Ryan talk about whether the last week has been a "break glass in emergency" moment for the nation's senior military leaders, whether everyone left in the Trump administration should resign en masse, and whether the US need an ROTC-type program for future diplomats. David admits to having a pet cow, Rosa defends the ugly chair in her Zoom background and admires Sebastian Gorka's leather vest, and Kori Schake's laugh is sorely missed. Don’t miss it!

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We are in a deep economic crisis today, the worst unemployment crisis since the Great Depression. While some recovery from the worst of the crisis is possible prior to the election, whomever takes office in 2021 will have major challenges before him. In this, the latest in our Agenda 2021 series of podcasts, we discuss how to tackle those challenges with the man who served as Chairman of Barack Obama's Council of Economic Advisors, Harvard professor Jason Furman. Ed Luce of the Financial Times and host, David Rothkopf, pose questions concerning how we create the jobs we need, combat inequality, reimagine trade policy and more and Furman answers with the kind of clarity and specificity that is both rare and welcome at a moment like this one. Don't miss it.

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According to economist Ricardo Hausmann of Harvard's Kennedy School, the economic crisis triggered by the COVID pandemic is going to be very different from any we have faced in memory. It will be different in scope, in severity, in what it may demand of afflicted governments, and in what it will demand of the global financial system. It is a massive problem and observes Hausmann, one of the world's foremost development economists, we are ill-prepared to deal with it. We discuss the challenges with him and Edward Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center. Don't miss this thought-provoking conversation.

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If Parson Weems, who wrote of little George Washington's inability to tell a lie, were to write the story of Donald Trump and the cherry tree, you can bet that the president-to-be would be portrayed as saying "I would never lie, Father, I'm the hugest truth teller there is. And nobody has done more for cherry trees than me." Lying is what Trump does. It is who he is. And this week we have seen how those lies could be twisted into a threat against democracy itself. We discuss the lies and this disturbing, potential turning point of a week with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School and with special guest Glenn Kessler, of the Washington Post, co-author of an important new book "Donald Trump and His Assault on Truth: The President's Falsehoods, Misleading Claims and Flat-Out Lies." Don't miss it.

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There is no question that the Trump Administration has been a dramatic departure from past US Administrations on issues like democracy promotion, human rights and protecting press freedoms. Autocrats have been embraced. Press freedoms and free speech have been under siege here in the U.S. What would change if Joe Biden took office next January? In the second of our Agenda 2021 series, Amb. Derek Mitchell, President of the National Democratic Institute, Suzanne Nossel, CEO of PEN America and author of the forthcoming Dare to Speak: Defending Free Speech for All (HarperCollins, July 2020) and Kenneth Roth, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch discuss global trends, and policy shifts they expect and that they would like to see. Don't miss this important discussion.

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As if a public health catastrophe and an economic disaster were not enough, America is now rocked by the worst civil unrest in 50 years. And, to make matters worse, the president is...making matters worse. Wherever he can he is pouring gasoline onto the flames. Having declared the riots the result of the work of far-left "terrorists" Trump is seeking to militarize the racial, political and regional conflicts he has been fomenting since the first day of his campaign. Where does this lead? How do each of these crises intersect with one another? We discuss with Juliette Kayyem of the Harvard Kennedy School, Jeremy Konyndyk of the Center for Global Development, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Worried about a long hot summer? This conversation will give you the chills.

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America is re-opening. Whether we should be or not is beside the point. It is happening. So the question becomes how do we manage that re-opening and what risks may be emerging that we are ill-prepared for? Some are public health risks? Some have to do with adapting to a new way of life. In addition, just as we face the greatest public health crisis in a century, we witness the scene of a police officer crushing a man's throat and killing him which forces us to address yet another dimension of all this--how can we trust our government to keep us safe? We discuss with Dr. Leana Wen, a practicing physician and former Health Commissioner of Baltimore, Dr. Kavita Patel, also a physician and former WH official during the Obama Administration and our regular co-host Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security." It is a sobering, incisive discussion. Don't miss it.

Here is the link to the website referenced by Dr. Kavita Patel: https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

Here is the link to Dr. Leana Wen's Opinion Piece in The Washington Post, dated May 13, 2020: Link

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It is possible that in January 2021, America may welcome a president with more foreign policy experience than anyone who has assumed the office in more than three decades. That will be vitally important given the damage that Trump has done to our institutions, relationships and interests at home and abroad. In the first of our "Agenda 2021" series of podcasts exploring the priorities a new president ought to pursue, we speak with two distinguished American foreign policy leaders, both who have held the job of Deputy Secretary of State, Ambassador Bill Burns, president of the Carnegie Endowment and the top foreign policy advisor to the Biden campaign Tony Blinken. If you care about the future of America's role in the world, you won't want to miss this.

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COVID has taken such a ghastly human and economic toll that people can speak of or think of little else. That's dangerous. Because opportunists and worse are seeking to take advantage of the fog of this moment to advance dangerous or unsavory agendas. From China moving against democracy in Hong Kong to Russia upping the ante in Libya, from Netanyahu planning illegal annexations of Palestinian territory to the US pulling out of important international treaties, serious risks are rising. Further Trump himself might use the crisis as an excuse to reschedule or suspend elections in the U.S. Far-fetched? We shouldn't count on it. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, David Sanger of the New York Times and Joe Cirincione of the Ploughshares Fund join for this unsettling episode. Don't miss it.

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We have a new Director of National intelligence who doesn't meet the minimum statutory requirements for holding the job. We have an administration that has become a disinformation engine. People are fired for telling or seeking the truth. We are actively dismantling the international system that we helped build and giving autocrats their way worldwide. Sometimes it all feels like more reality TV politics, but it is something much more serious and dangerous. Join Ryan Goodman of Just Security and host David Rothkopf as they discuss in a special conversation with Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut, a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Don't miss it.

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Donald Trump likes to talk a lot about being a wartime president. But wartime presidents lead by example and inspire the country to set aside politics to focus on a common goal. This week, Trump is headed to Michigan to view how the state went from being the arsenal of democracy in the 40s to the "arsenal of health" today. According to Rep. Debbie Dingell who represents Michigan's 12th Congressional District, factory workers will be watching closely as they know the right example and practices are key to opening factories and restoring their livelihoods. Dingell joins us for a special conversation about the crisis, the solution she thinks is required (infrastructure plays a big role), and how Trump is likely to fare in that key battleground state later this year. She's felt the brunt of this national disaster in very personal ways and her passion about the urgency of recovery is palpable throughout our conversation. Do not miss it.

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In many ways, one of the unexpected side-effects of the COVID pandemic has been a rapid acceleration of the application of new technologies and the adaptation to technology driven new realities. From the ubiquity of Zoom to tele-medicine, from a focus on biotech to living our lives and conducting our work remotely, we've been given a taste of the world to come. On the heels of these changes are coming transformational technologies associated with artificial intelligence, robotics and more. What demands might those make of our leaders in the future--from polices forces to the highest level policymakers? Peter W. Singer and August Cole describe that world in a riveting new novel that is based entirely on what's really going on in emerging technologies, "Burn-In: A Novel of the Real Robotic Revolution." Peter Singer joins Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute for a discussion about the book and about how it ties into both this moment in our history and our immediate future. Don't miss it.

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Almost 40 million Americans have lost their jobs in the past 8 weeks. That is a quarter of the workforce. We have never faced a crisis like this one. How we choose to rebuild will be the decision that will define us all in history's eyes. Gene Sperling was the top White House economic advisor for both President Bill Clinton and President Barack Obama. He has written a book that addresses the core question that must precede the rebuilding: What is our goal? How will we measure success? His answer is that we must place human dignity at the center of our policy decisions. His book is called "On Economic Dignity" and he discusses it with Ed Luce of the Financial Times and host David Rothkopf. It is discussion that gets to the very core of who we are as a country and who we aspire to be. Don't miss it.

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In boxing, repeated body blows are seen as a way to bring down an adversary. We will soon see whether the repeated body blows the US economy and society have endured during this crisis will have the same effect on the Administration that is seen as having at the very least left the country undefended against them and that very likely exacerbated the impact of those blows. We discuss the state of the current crisis and its knock on effects with former US Deputy Labor Secretary Chris Lu, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of AEI and Ed Luce of the FT. Join us.

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With more than 33 million people claiming unemployment insurance in the past six weeks, 75,000 reported dead of COVID, 1.3 million reported infected with the disease and an unprecedented social crisis that now has 1 in 5 mothers of young children fearing they will be unable to provide their children with the food they need, the U.S. faces its worst domestic crisis since the Civil War. The government we have is actively seeking to deny the truth, undermine our institutions and cash in on the disaster. We discuss how we can respond with an exceptional panel including Congressman Jamie Raskin (D-Maryland), former Obama WH official and practicing physician Dr. Kavita Patel, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Ryan Goodman, editor of "Just Security" and professor at NYU Law School.

It is a shocking moment and a vital conversation. Join us.

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Sarah Kendzior's latest book "Hiding in Plain Sight" describes precisely why Donald Trump's failures as a leader, his support for our enemies and his profound corruption should not be a surprise to anyone. To Kendzior's many followers, it supports work she has been doing for years calling out the Trump backstory that the president, his supporters and his Russian sponsors have been trying to suppress for just as long. This candid conversation provides vital insights into how we have gotten to where we are and why ominous developments may await in the months and years ahead. Don't miss it.

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We are joined on this special episode of DSR by Rep. Ted Deutch, a member of the House Foreign Affairs and Judiciary Committees as well as chairman of the Ethics Committee. Deutch has been actively leading efforts for more oversight into Jared Kushner and the Administration's management of the program to collect and distribute vital hospital supplies. He has also provided guidance to the White House efforts to reopen the economy and has worked hard to ensure vital foreign affairs concerns do not fall by the wayside during the crisis. He takes questions from Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and host, David Rothkopf. Don't miss it.

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60,000 Americans are dead. 1 million are infected. And those are just the official numbers. 30 million are unemployed. And Jared Kushner declares "Success!" And Trump's approval rating rises. But the coronavirus pays no attention. The total dead is probably closer to 85,000. The total infected may be as high as 15 million. And we're just getting started. There are global and domestic waves to come. Does anyone--in either party--have a strategic plan to deal with this? We discuss with Pultizer Prize-winning science journalist Laurie Garrett, the FT's Ed Luce and Just Security Editor-in-Chief Ryan Goodman. It's a chilling, essential episode.

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Is Kim Jong Un dead? Chilling at the beach? Succumbing to an overdose of cheese? Will he fully recover? Or will he be succeeded by his sister? His uncle? His two year old son? We bring together three of the world's leading North Korea experts--Anna Fifield, author of "The Great Successor", the definitive biography of Kim and the Washington Post's Beijing Bureau Chief, former Under Secretary of State Wendy Sherman and the New York Times' David Sanger--to contemplate what's really going on and what it means. Also, they consider the rapidly declining U.S.-China relationship and what all this may mean for the US elections and beyond. It's a great discussion you won't want to miss. Join us.

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The President of the United States keeps talking about the light at the end of the tunnel. But even his top economic advisors don't expect the economic aftershocks of this crisis to end for 18 months or more. Those shocks will be severe, throwing the whole world into depression, perhaps 195 million people to unemployment, 130 million people to severe food insecurity, raising the possibility of famine in 55 countries, and generally creating negative global and US national economic and social conditions that no person alive has ever seen. All of those will in turn have massive knock-on effects including the technological, the psychological and more. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Ed Luce of the Financial Times discuss, providing a rare long-term perspective in this moment dominated by daily headlines and uncertainty. Don't miss it.

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As Angela Merkel observed this week, we are just in the first stages of this crisis. As many Americans have observed, we would be better off if we had a leader like Angela Merkel. But we don't. And we won't until January at the earliest. So what can we practically do to save lives and protect each other? We turn to Dr. Craig Spencer, Dr. Kavita Patel, Ed Luce and Ryan Goodman to discuss our options and it is a discussion you can't afford to miss. Clear perspectives from the medical front lines and the political front lines that are essential at this moment in time.

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Trump is a wannabe authoritarian who has consistently abused the power of his office and sought to place himself above the law. Trump is also a president who, when faced with a crisis, failed to use the resources of the U.S. government to help the American people. As it turns out, both things are true...but the question is, as we enter the next phase of this crisis and the run up to the election, which Trump will show up? The aspiring tyrant or the quivering mouse? We discuss with Juliette Kayyem and Stephen Walt of Harvard's Kennedy School, with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center and with Kori Schake of AEI. Don't miss it.

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While we are making some headway on flattening the curve when it comes to coronavirus in some parts of the US, it is clear the one curve that will not be flattened is the president's learning curve. The timeline of this debacle reveals a resistance to knowledge and an inability to acknowledge much less even learn from mistakes that hasn't wavered. So what do we do? The stakes are too high to wait for a leadership miracle that will never come. We discuss the problem and possible solutions with an extraordinary panel including former Baltimore Commissioner of Public Health, professor and emergency room physician Dr. Leana Wen, Atlantic columnist David Frum, Washington Post columnist Max Boot and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and co-editor of Just Security. Don't miss it.

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Representative Val Demings is, for good reason, on every short list there is to be Joe Biden's Vice Presidential running mate. Join us for a great and wide ranging conversation with her about the impact of the coronavirus crisis on the communities she represents in Florida, the troubling response of Governor DeSantis and his administration to the virus, the vulnerability of communities of color due to deep flaws in our health care system and on where the coming election may take us. It is essential listening with one of America's most important emerging leaders. Join us.

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As we anticipate months more of lockdown and efforts at recovery, at further tragic loss of life and catastrophic economic dislocation, it is clear that we are living through an era-defining event. Such events typically shape the outlook of generations and lead to shifts in priorities, program, and even the distribution of wealth and power in society. What will the consequences of this era's upheaval be? We speak with the Center for Global Development's Jeremy Konyndyk, the American Enterprise Institute's Kori Schake, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Edward Luce of the Financial Times to discuss. We also cover whether there is any cause for optimism in recent news and what caveats should be added to hopes for an early return to "normalcy." A great discussion. Please join us.

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On April 11, the New York Times published an in-depth examination of the repeated warnings President Trump received concerning the impending coronavirus crisis and the story behind his steadfast opposition to doing anything about the looming disaster. Two of the authors of that exceptional piece, Deep State Radio regular David Sanger and NYT White House correspondent Michael Shear join us for a discussion of the piece and what the president has and has not learned since the first months of mishandling this pandemic. Don't miss it.

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The only thing you know about the ghastly numbers the grow larger every day on your computer or television screen is that they are wrong. They hugely understate the number of victims of the current pandemic and because we are testing a fraction of a fraction of what we should be, we can't tell how far off we are...or what the real nature of the disease is. The Administration is lying and suppressing data. And the potential for a horrific second wave later in the year is growing. We discuss how we get to the truth and the nature of the real risk we face with Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut, Pulitzer Prize-winner Laurie Garrett and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of "Just Security" and Professor of Law at NYU Law School. It is essential listening. Don't miss it.

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One of the surest ways to get fired in the Trump Administration is to speak the truth. Ask Captain Brett Crozier. Or just place your duty to the country ahead of your loyalty to Donald Trump. Ask former Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson...and so many others. This is not just disturbing behavior it is death by a thousand cuts to democracy and the current COVID crisis is giving Trump and Co. cover to continue their attack on our system. They're not alone however, from Hungary to India, wannabe authoritarians are undermining democratic protections and imposing their will on the people...and no one is pushing back, especially not Donald Trump's USA. So not only is the health of our family and friends at risk, so to is the health of the systems upon which we depend to protect our freedoms. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and David Sanger of the New York Times discuss. Don't miss this podcast.

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America is just over 4% of the world's population but home to 25% of its COVID-19 cases. While European nations like Italy and Spain are wracked with the disease, Europeans typically do not have the added anxiety of trying to figure out how to pay for healthcare or worrying that their government will not support them if they lose their job. We congratulate ourselves on having the strongest economy in the world but are importing basic PPE supplies from China and Russia. Our fragility and our flaws are being revealed as never before. On this episode Dr. Leana Wen, former public health commissioner of Baltimore and an emergency room physician, Edward Luce of the Financial Times and co-host Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security" join host David Rothkopf to discuss and consider the whys of all this and where it will lead. An essential episode. Don't miss.

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Joe Nye, Harvard professor and formerly Dean of Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, has a timely new book called "Do Morals Matter? Presidents and Foreign Policy from FDR to Trump" that serves as a jumping off point for our discussion of where we are in the current crisis, why we are here and what we can do better going forward. We have an exceptional group discussing these topics including Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, David Sanger of the New York Times and NY Congressional Candidate Evelyn Farkas. Special Bonus: In addition, this episode features a special one-on-one conversation with former USAID Administrator and former NSC official who was in the middle of the fight to contain ebola, Gayle Smith. It's the kind of in-depth perspectives on the global implications of the COVID-19 crisis you can only find at Deep State Radio. Join us.

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In South Africa during the AIDS crisis, as our special guest Dr. Seema Yasmin points out, the government's denial of AIDS took a measurable toll. Today, she argues, we are at risk from the misinformation, denial and deception of many current public officials right here in the U.S. Dr. Yasmin joins Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Ryan Goodman of Just Security and NYU Law School for a discussion of where we are in this global crisis, where it is likely to go, and how to contain the spread of deadly infodemic that is swirling around and compounding the cost of the underlying COVID-19 outbreak. Don't miss it.

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While the debate about managing the pandemic has grown more rancorous in recent days as death tolls have climbed and states have lamented the unresponsiveness of the federal government, while on Capitol Hill the name calling has resumed, the virus is immune to politics. There is a right way and wrong way to manage a pandemic and the resulting economic and social crises it triggers. We discuss how to tell the difference and what lessons we should be learning and applying now with former Obama Admin. ebola czar Ron Klain, David Sanger of the New York Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School. You won't want to miss this urgently important discussion. Join us.

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The Coronavirus Crisis is the first 50 state natural disaster in American history. And while it is certainly not the first for which the federal response was lacking, it may be the worst overall response of an administration to a major crisis in our history. The lies continue. Public confidence continues to erode. Vital supplies from tests to masks to ventilators remain out of reach for many. Coordination is weak. Signs of corruption are brewing. And the President and his team seem to be learning precious little from their errors. So, what's working? Who's succeeding? What's the solution? And how much worse can this get. On this urgently important episode, we discuss with Juliette Kayyem of the Kennedy School at Harvard, Jeremy Konyndyk of the Center for Global Development, both crisis experts, and our own Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School. Don't miss it.

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From an explosion of e-commerce to a re-evaluation of the roll of government, a teaching moment for healthcare policy and geopolitical shocks and aftershocks, the COVID-19 crisis is going to leave the world changed in material ways. We won't be the same again. Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Host David Rothkopf look ahead to the near-term and lasting consequences of a crisis unlike any we have seen since World War II or perhaps since the Spanish Flu of 1918. This an important, thought-provoking discussion. Don't miss it.

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There are countries and systems that are managing the COVID-19 crisis comparatively well. South Korea, which invested heavily and early in testing is one. Singapore, in the view of renowned infectious disease expert and Pulitzer Prize-winner Laurie Garrett, may be an even better one. Their testing is almost ubiquitous and trust in the government's handling of the crisis is rock solid. Garrett, Just Security's Ryan Goodman and host David Rothkopf discuss what we can learn from these success and compare them to the still disastrous situation in the U.S. (and the lunatic approach embraced by the government of the U.K.). From how much longer this social and economically disruptive crisis will go on to what the science is telling us right now, this is an essential discussion. Join us.

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Lives are at stake in the coronavirus crisis. And the future of democracy is at stake in the upcoming election. What is disturbing is that both vitally important issues depend on all of us having access to the facts and there are powerful forces working to make that difficult. Foreign governments. Our own government. Politicians and other we an axe to grind. We discuss with disinformation expert and former NSC official, Laura Rosenberger, and Ryan Goodman of Just Security, how to tell truth from lies, who is attacking the truth and who are its champions. You won't want to miss this episode. Join us.

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In a moment that a global pandemic has you self-quarantined and social distancing and a global market collapse has you terrified about the future and bad leadership has you curled up on under your bed, there is only one perfect solution! Listening to a podcast. That's what's called finding the silver lining. Can we find them with the multiple calamities that have befallen us in the past few weeks (and years...well, since the dawn of time if you want to be accurate)? That's one of the things we discuss with Sharon Weinberger, DC bureau chief of Yahoo News, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law. Don't miss it (especially when the alternative is interacting with other people who are likely to be teeming with germs).

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We don't raise an eyebrow when Trump lies. Most of his early lies were of little consequence, about his wealth or sexual prowess or intellect. But in recent weeks, in the midst of the first major International crisis the president has faced (that he did not himself create), we have seen those lies turned into potential weapons of mass destruction. By minimizing the consequences of a global pandemic, many can die, markets can lose faith in public officials, economies can falter. We discuss this disturbing, dangerous phenomenon with Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law and "Just Security." We also discuss how it is all a part of an effort by Trump to transform the entire US government into an engine of disinformation that is a grave threat to our national security. Don't miss this important episode.

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After 20 years, the US is trying its best to get out of Dodge in Afghanistan. Trouble is the not-quite-a-peace-deal announced over the weekend fell apart on Monday. The US got out of Syria and now that country is on the verge of what may be a new and horrific humanitarian crisis. By the end of the year, it seems, everyone everywhere may have coronavirus and we're only beginning to understand the consequences of that...or the lengths to which the Trump Administration will lie about what's happening. And the Democratic primaries are going through a massive upheaval...but the question is: Is anything becoming more clearer or is it just becoming clear how unclear everything is? We discuss with regulars Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and special guest Lt. Col. Larry Wilkerson of the College of William and Mary and former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell. You really shouldn't miss a word of this.

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Donald Trump has made narcissism the central organizing principle of his government. It used to be said institutions were the lengthened shadow of one man. In the case of the US government today it is the lengthened shadow of one man's psychopathology. Every decision, every action turns on whether Trump and those close to him feel it is good or bad for him personally. And half of America is cool with him shattering norms of law and good governance because they feel DC is broken and doesn't work for them and maybe shattered norms are the way to fix it. And with 40 years of inequality and increased power to the 1% who can blame them? The question is, did they pick the right norms to shatter? And is Trump really on their side? That's what campaign 2020 is going to come down to--but there's a twist. Some of the Dems want to preserve the norms that have screwed the majority of Americans for the past forty years as well. So...where's this all going to end up? We discuss with the Washington Post's Greg Sargent and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and Just Security. Don't miss it.

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Donald Trump is remaking the U.S. government in ways that make you less safe, make our justice system less fair, put our democracy at greater risk. This past week we have seen manifold examples of the Trump method for putting down opposition, twisting the facts, suppressing intelligence, culling experts and independent thinkers and doing it all constantly to a devastating cumulative effect. Kori Schake of AEI, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Joe Cirincione of the Ploughshares Fund discuss this and why people may be seeing voters response to it in the primaries in the wrong light. Tune in to this timely and important episode.

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Donald Trump is purging his cabinet of expertise and those who place loyalty to the Constitution above that to Trump personally. In the intelligence community, State Department, Justice Department, Department of Defense and the National Security Council we have seen an exodus of talent and a message delivered to all who remain that is positively chilling. Don't raise awareness of threats like Russian election interference because Trump does not want to hear it is just one example. Also: with breaking news out of Afghanistan and the deeply disturbing prognosis from Syria, international crises and potentially unsettling decisions loom as events that may color the 2020 campaign and impact further America's falling standing in the world. We discuss all these issues with one of America's pre-eminent national security thinkers and leaders, Michele Flournoy, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy and co-founder and managing partner at WestExec Advisors. Flournoy is a likely leader in an incoming Democratic administration and her views are essential to understanding where America is going. Don't miss this conversation.

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You may think that all Donald Trump thinks about is himself. Or his latest grift. Or cheeseburgers. But when you look at his recent behavior, it looks like even with impeachment behind him, our president saves most of his bandwidth for the land of Tchaikovsky, Putin and borscht. He shoved aside his acting Director of National Intelligence in a fit of pique over a Congressional briefing from a top IC official saying Russia was planning to interfere in the 2020 elections and do so, again, on Trump's behalf. He put in the DNI's place an acting official with no intelligence background but who might be loyal and help cover Russia's tracks. In a London court this week, lawyers for Julian Assange said Trump, through an intermediary, offered Assange a pardon if he would deny Russian involvement in 2016. Roger Stone got 40 months in prison for, according to the sentencing judge, covering up for Trump--and now, it is suspected, Trump is planning to reward Stone with a pardon. Meanwhile the AG is overseeing an investigation into the intelligence community's past Russia investigations. In short, Trump is sending a message loud and clear to all--he welcomes Russia's help and will protect them and he will penalize those who get in the way. We discuss with Third Way's Mieke Eoyang, Georgetown University's Rosa Brooks and David Sanger of the New York Times. Don't miss it.

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It would seem like 2020 would be offering a great opportunity for Democrats what with the president being historical unpopular and perhaps the most corrupt and worst president in U.S. history. But still, Democrats will be Democrats and even with urgency and opportunity looming large, they seem dedicated to the idea of blowing their chances sky high. We discuss how they are doing that and speculate as to why and where all this will lead. Is it already Bernie vs. Bloomberg in the main event? Where might that lead come convention time? And how would the world view a Bloomberg or a Sanders presidency? Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center and host David Rothkopf discuss, lament and discuss some more. Join them!

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Coronavirus has a new name: Covid-19. It has infected over 50,000 people and taken over 1,000 lives. But the crisis may be just beginning. And the response of governments from China to the United States may be only be making its potential toll worse. We speak with Pulitzer Prize winning science writer, Laurie Garrett, one of the world's preeminent experts on global public health issues about just how bad the situation is and about some of the most egregious missteps of our leaders to date. We also discuss the fact that as of right now there are multiple serious epidemics occurring simultaneously placing the global health system under unprecedented stress--a situation we could have prepared for but did not. Essential listening.

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In 2016, Russia not only helped elect Donald Trump, they also assured Americans would never again be able to look at election results with the same trust they had in the past. If anything, actions by them, the Administration, other bad actors and incompetent administrators have raised unease about what we might expect in this year's election cycle. Beyond that, risks we have focused on in the past, like terrorism, might manifest themselves again--perhaps from dangerous, white supremacist sources. Are we prepared? We discuss with Juliette Kayyem of Harvard's Kennedy School, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and David Sanger of the New York Times. Don't miss this episode.

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With each day since Trump's sham acquittal ceremony, it has become clear that the president sees the outcome that was served up on a silver platter by the servile Senate GOP (with one exception) as the license to behave badly. Trump never disappoints those who expect the worst from him. We discuss where this leaves us with three of the great voices of the resistance--Sarah Kendzior and Andrea Chalupa of "Gaslit Nation" and AG from "Mueller She Wrote." They are, as you'd expect, great...and then we all announce the exciting launch of a major Washington event bringing together many of the very best podcasts for a kind DC PodCon. We call it Washington Today Forum but you can call it WTF for short. It will take place on May 21st at the Warner Theater in Washington, DC. Go to www.thedsrnetwork.com for more details and to reserve your tickets. You won't want to miss this.

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If you thought Trump's acquittal by the Senate was the worst thing that could happen this week, you seem to be forgetting who you are dealing with. First, the Senate trial had much value and was, by any reasonable assessment, a net benefit for the country even despite the fact that it wasn't really a trial, was rigged and further empowered a bad president. But in rapid succession we had awards for racists, calls for retribution against the president's enemies, an announcement of Bill Barr further pressing his foot down on the throat of Justice and Trump giving one of the most unhinged and disturbing public performance of his presidency. We discuss what all this means and where it can lead with three of the best commentators out there, Maya Wiley of the New School and an MSNBC commentator, Tom Nichols of the Naval War College and author of "The Death of Expertise" and our own Ryan Goodman of Just Security and NYU Law School. You won't want to miss this. Essential listening.

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If you read Fred Kaplan's new book "The Bomb" you will discover that despite the best efforts of some very qualified, competent presidents and their teams, we've come pretty close to blowing up the world a few times over the years. Now we have a president is none of those things. Indeed he's making the risk of global calamity greater with each passing day. So how come no one on the campaign trail is making this a central issue. We discuss with Kaplan, Kori Schake of AEI and, in Des Moines, Iowa, Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Don't you dare miss it.

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The House Managers have done an extraordinary job in the Senate trial, led by the eloquence and brilliance of Adam Schiff. They have compellingly made the case that President Trump violated the law and his oath of office and should be removed from that office. But that's not going to happen. Because this trial was rigged from the outset. But does this story end here? Will the House Managers win their case in the court of public opinion? Will that translate into change and a debacle for the president's defenders in November. We discussed with two of the very best experts around, our own Ryan Goodman of Just Security and Asha Rangappa of the Jackson Institute for Global Affairs at Yale University. It's a must-listen. Don't miss it.

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