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The outbreak of coronavirus in China is rapidly emerging as a major global public health crisis? How bad might it get? How is our government doing in handling it? We talk to President Obama's ebola response czar Ron Klain about where we are and what's next? Then, because Ron is a top figure in the Biden campaign, the former VP's former chief of staff, we discuss with him Iowa, the other early primaries and why he thinks a Biden candidacy is the best way to advance a progressive agenda. It's a great new episode that you won't want to miss. Join us.

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The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists recently pushed its Doomsday Clock closer to "midnight" than it has ever been. They did this because nuclear safeguards are disappearing, risks are growing and because they include the risk of climate armageddon in their calculus. And you thought the impeachment and the death of American democracy was worrisome! Nuclear expert Jon Wolfsthal, Georgetown's Rosa Brooks, AEI's Kori Schake and the FT's Ed Luce join to discuss all this and answer the question: Who's the most odious member of the Trump Administration? (Who says we don't deal with the really hard questions?) Don't miss it.

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While the outcome of the Senate trial seems a foregone conclusion, even an acquittal might not be good news for President Trump. There are a whole range of long-term consequences of the current drama on the Hill, some with positive implications, some that would be very troubling. On this special impeachment trial episode Ryan Goodman of Just Security, Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations and lawyer and legal commentator Katie Phang offer a different perspective on the trial than you have heard anywhere else. Don't miss it. 

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We're at one of the most fraught moments in American political history. The country is polarized. The president is going to trial. That president is one of the most polarizing figures the world has ever seen. And headlines scream of momentous events in the weeks ahead. Everybody's running a fever and maybe it's time to take two aspirin and call Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and David Sanger of the New York Times. Because they have just what this moment really calls for: perspective, the long view, even wisdom. This episode of Deep State Radio may not cure what ails you but it'll help you know what the problem really is...and in the end, that's the important thing, isn't it? Join us?

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As the Senate impeachment trial looms, Republicans seem not to understand what a trial is. They don't want witnesses. They don't want evidence. They especially don't want witnesses or facts that might further implicate the president in crimes. But if they seek no evidence do they also then accept the House's view of the facts as the final truth? Is their stirring defense of the president that they don't care that what he does was illegal rather than proving he didn't do it? We discuss with Mieke Eoyang of the Third Way. Then we turn to Trump's apparent view that if the accusations are a hoax then a fake trade deal can sufficiently distract from it to make it all go away. In fact, GOP counter-programming to the impeachment this week has been two trade deals--one with China and the USMCA. Why did they pick trade? Are these deals significant? And what is the future of trade for the U.S. We discuss with Fred Hochberg, former Eximbank Chairman and author of a great new book entitled "Trade is Not a Four Letter Word." Don't miss this special episode.

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The president has no foreign policy expertise, no advisors, no morals, no scruples and he is in deep political hot water at home. So naturally, he wags the dog with an attack on Iranian General Qassem Soleimani. He does it in spite of international law. He lies about it. He doesn't think through the consequences. And he survives politically. So, now you know that as this year of ever-increasing pressure on the president progresses, he's bound to try it again. What dog will he wag next? And which of the issues raised by last week's attack will have the most enduring consequences. We discuss with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and Kori Schake the head of the Foreign Policy and Defense program at the American Enterprise Institute...and it's not a discussion to miss.

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If and when Nancy Pelosi decides to sends the articles of impeachment to the Senate, the odds of a fair trial are slim to none. (Aw, who are we kidding? They're zero.) Trump will be acquitted. He will have a celebratory press conference and declare he has been exonerated, an end to the hoaxy witch hunt. But will his legal troubles stop there? What about as more details of his crimes are revealed? More cover ups take place and are revealed? Other trials reveal more evidence against the president and his men. We discuss with former US prosecutor Harry Litman, Just Security Editorial Director Kate Brannen and Just Security co-editor Ryan Goodman why things might go from bad to worse for Trump and why it could all go on for years. Also discussed: The aftershocks of Kate Brannen's scoop revealing the unredacted contents of communications on the Ukraine scandal that incriminates the president and reveals deep fissures within the Trump Administration. And: Can the president just go around knocking off any foreign leader he wants? Join us.

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In the days since President Donald Trump ordered the killing of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, the presidents's spokespeople have taken to the airwaves to claim that we are safer with the Iranian who had the death of hundreds of Americans on his hands gone. But so far, things don't feel safer. The Iranian government--which has a global network of proxies at its disposal--promised revenge. It vowed to enrich uranium beyond limits set by the agreement struck during then Obama Administration. The Iraqi parliament voted to expel U.S. troops from that country and the U.S announced the beginning of its withdrawal. Oil prices moved upward. Russia, Iran, and ISIS stood poised to benefit from declining U.S. influence. To some, another Mideast war seemed inevitable. But is it? Will Iran prove to be the rational actor who calms then situation? Will Trump blink and actually seek the de-escalation his Secretary of State promised? Will divisions in the national security establishment have an impact? Kori Schake of AEI, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Joe Cirincione of the Ploughshares Fund discuss on an urgent, can't miss episode of Deep State Radio.

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For Two Years, Rosa Brooks had remained optimistic that despite all that was happening in the Trump administration over the past three years, a full-on constitutional crisis could be avoided. That changed with our episode on October 11, 2019. In this Best of Deep State Radio episode, we’ve pieced together several of these discussions including what led Rosa to declare a constitutional crisis. Tune In.

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In the last episode of not just 2019 but of the entire decade for Deep State Radio, we gather Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Stephen Walt of Harvard's Kennedy School, David Sanger of the New York Times and Ed Luce of the Financial Times to reflect on the ten years just past. We identify the big geopolitical trends from the rise of China (and Russia) to the spread of ethno-nationalism and the boom times for both demagogues and billionaires. The climate crisis got worse. So did inequality. Democracy teetered at the brink in America. And...egg nog anyone? Have a few drinks and settle in for a look back and what it means to all of us going forward. Happy Holidays from Deep State Radio!

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During this special 20 minute conversation with one of the standout stars of the impeachment process, California Congressman Eric Swalwell, he parries the latest jibes from the White House against Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Majority in the House by noting that 70 percent of the American people want a fair trial in the Senate. For this reason, he argues, Americans should not jump to the conclusion that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will get his way and convene the kangaroo court he has promised he would deliver. Swalwell also discussed recent revelations about how Putin shaped Trump's Ukraine views and just what shape on-going investigations will have to take in 2020 to counter the on-going abuse of power by President Trump. You won't want to miss the breaking news, special edition of Deep State Radio.

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In the wake of impeachment, all eyes turn to the Senate. Will delaying handing over the articles of impeachment buy the Democrats any leverage? Will buying time be enough with new bad news for Trump breaking daily--such as the report it was Putin who told him about Ukraine interference in 2016 or the magazine Christianity Today coming out for the president's removal from office? Or will the Senate sham trial come and go but these constant developments put the GOP in an ever weaker position. Many shoes are yet to drop. That's why we call it the Republican Centipede. (Well, at least that's one possible reason.) Join former US Attorney and MSNBC commentator Joyce White Vance and NYU Law and Just Security's Ryan Goodman for a do-not-miss episode on the week's biggest story.

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The US and the UK were the Batman and Robin of the Atlantic Alliance. Or was it the Holmes and Watson? The Lucy and Ethel? Well, whatever we were, we aren't that any more. It looks like Great Britain may be heading for a crack app and a future as only Meh Britain. And the US has been in retreat since the fiasco in Iraq. What comes next? Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of IISS, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Joe Cirincione of the Ploughshares Fund discuss, debate and try to put recent shocking developments in perspective. Don't miss it.

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What if the history books record that Donald Trump was third American president to be impeached, but the first of those to be re-elected? It's not far-fetched. In fact, many folks think it's likely. And it's what happens after that that has them scared. We discuss in a great roundtable with the Washington Post's Greg Sargent, Georgetown Law's Rosa Brooks and NYU Law School's Ryan Goodman. You won't want to miss it.

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Remember national security? Remember defending the country against foreign attacks? Remember principles? Remember truth? Well, there sure are some people in our government who don't. Saudis attack Americans and the American president flacks for the Saudi Crown Prince. Russia attacks America and GOP Congressman and Senators help them by spreading Russian disinformation. An investigation confirms the FBI had every reason to investigate Trump campaign cooperation with a Russian attack on the U.S. and the president and the attorney general ignore its findings and state the opposite within minutes of its release. On this episode of DSR Kori Schake of IISS, David Sanger of the NY Times, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Sharon Weinberger of Yahoo News, discuss this week's breaking news and what it means. Don't miss it.  

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On this special episode of Deep State Radio, coinciding with the official beginning of the House Judiciary Committee's Impeachment Hearings, we discuss the case against Trump in the context of history. Our guests are impeachment historian Frank Bowman of the University of Missouri and Ryan Goodman, NYU Law School professor and co-editor at "Just Security." Are the Democrats making a mistake by focusing on bribery? Did the GOP make any good points in their counter-arguments as the hearings kicked off. Where do we go from here? Can Chief Justice Roberts keep the Senate trial from being a kangaroo court or do Senate rules hamstring him and is the outcome inevitable? It's a lively, vital discussion that is not to be missed. Join us.

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With every flashing headline, every bright chyron claiming "breaking news" we expect our worlds are changing. In the current political atmosphere in the US those come fast and furious and leads pundits everywhere to regularly exclaim that we have reached a turning point. Well, we offer a different kind of pundit on Deep State Radio, people who speak their minds and don't march to the beat of everyone else's drummers, people like Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center and Max Bergmann of the Center for American Progress. And while much is happening all around us, it's not clear much will change, which is why Rosa asserts, "There are no turning points." We discuss. Which leads us to some of the biggest and most important stories in the world that are not getting enough attention. Join us.

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Psssst. Put down that drumstick. Push back from the Thanksgiving table. You don't need any more of that pumpkin pie. (And we say that as your friend.) We have something better for you to do, in keeping with the spirit of the day and much less likely to drive you crazy than your relatives. Join us for Deep State Radio's special Thanksgiving feast featuring Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of IISS and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law in which they offer up all that they are thankful for. Guess who said she's thankful for Garanimals matching outfits. Guess who said she was thankful for the fact that we're not living in a full-on apocalypse. Guess who said he's thankful that American Thanksgiving is late in November so it pushes off the start of "Christmas bollocks." Tune in and hear these views and also somewhat more serious perspectives on what's going right in the world. (And if you can't pushback from the table...wear earbuds and listen to us during the meal! Enjoy!) Happy Thanksgiving from Deep State Radio.

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The president of the United States, always searching for lower lows, has done profound damage to the military, our system of justice and America's standing in the world by pardoning war criminals from our own military. The risk at which this puts soldiers and civilians in the future is only matched by that which it poses to our entire nation as leaders without values or standards seek to institutionalize their corruption. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of IISS and Ed Luce of the Financial Times discuss the moral crisis that may both underpin and exceed in danger the Constitutional Crisis that is garnering most of the headlines. Don't miss it.

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Adam Schiff masterfully conducted impeachment hearings that made the case that Donald Trump sought to bribe and extort the president of Ukraine, using his official office to advance personal interests. The case is a lock. Except if facts don't matter. Or if you don't care. And that's the GOP position. And guess what comes next? Distractions and circuses and Bill Barr investigations into the origins of the Mueller Report and Lindsay Graham fishing expeditions on Hunter Biden and the High Court of noted champion of fairness in government Mitch McConnell. In other words, a shitshow wrapped in a goatfuck shrouded in a partisan perversion of justice. But don't guess at what's coming next, listen to former US attorney and commentator Harry Litman and NYU Law professor Ryan Goodman as they prepare you for the worst...and why to cling to hope. Tune in.

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This week promises to be a dramatic on the impeachment front. Is Gordon Sondland going to tell the truth (for the first time) or lie (again)? What about Lt. Col Vindman, Fiona Hill and the others to come? Will there be a game changer? And how will the president throw himself into the mix? More Tweets? More distractions? And speaking of distractions...is impeachment drawing our attention away from major unfolding global crises: in Hong Kong, with the Uighurs in China, in Iran, in Syria, in Latin America, with US-Israel policy? It could make your head spin if you didn't have the cool incisive wisdom of Georgetown University's Rosa Brooks and former NSC staffer and current CNN commentator Sam Vinograd to make sense of it all. And that's just what you have here on this not-to-be-missed episode of Deep State Radio.

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In Ohio today, one house of the legislature passed a law saying that if a student gets a science question wrong at school because it does not conform with his religious beliefs it can't be held against him. We have officially entered the post-fact world. That matters in the impeachment case because as the Democrats lay out a careful factual case, the GOP response is a tsunami of conspiracy theories, lies, nonsense, and distractions. And that might be all that's necessary to maintain the political balance that keeps Trump in office. Is there an antidote? Will the next rounds of hearings produce a game-changer? Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security" and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center discuss with host David Rothkopf. Join us for essential insights into this newest phase of the impeachment chapter...and the decline of Western Civilization. 

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With all eyes on the impeachment hearings this week, we take a step back to reframe the discussion about Trump shake-down of the Ukrainian government in terms of the damage that was done to U.S. national security interests and those of our allies.  Congress voted money to Ukraine not as a gift, but to enable them to defend against an active invasion by Russia.  Withholding that money put lives and Ukraine’s stability at risk.  The case is just one illustration of a broader series of decisions by the Trump team that have put America and Americans in danger—from the green light given to the Turks to invade Syria thereby strengthening ISIS, Russia, Iran and the Syrians to seeking to cut a deal and leave Afghanistan to the Taliban, from bungling the North Korea negotiation to gift after gift after gift given to the Russians.  We discuss with Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut, one of the top Democratic foreign policy leaders and thinkers in Washington.  Don’t miss this special episode of DSR.

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Next week public hearings on impeachment will begin. Democrats, led by Rep. Adam Schiff, will make the case that Donald Trump sought to bribe a foreign official, one of the few high crimes and misdemeanors specified in the Constitution's article on impeachment. Republicans will argue he did not and will seek to derail the hearings or attack the witnesses. At stake is the future of the rule of law in America. We discuss with Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School and Kate Shaw of Cardozo Law School just how the case might best be made and what the pitfalls are likely to be. We also discuss the latest breaking news in the multiple current cases against Trump and his associates. And, we try to go inside the mind of Attorney General Bill Barr so you don't have to. Don't miss this important, insight-rich episode. 

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Look around. Count the good and great political leaders in the world today. That didn't take long did it? Why not? What has happened? Where have all the leaders gone? Is that a sign of progress or decline? And where does it lead? To messy, ineffective governments--mere cattywampusness--or to something much, much worse? Kori Schake of IISS, Ed Luce of the FT and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law discuss and you do not want to miss their sweeping, penetrating, sobering conclusions. A must listen episode of DSR!

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Once, when presented with an argument that the Pope would appreciate it if he laid off persecuting Russian Catholics, Stalin responded, "The Pope? How many divisions does he have?" It may be that Trump-Barr-McConnell soulless brain's trust have muttered something similar about Democratic efforts to stop the lawless president. So long as Barr is unwilling to prosecute and views the Department of Justice as the private attorney's for Trump, they might as well be saying, "Pelosi? How many prosecutors does she have?" We discuss their strategy and how the House vote to proceed with impeachment changes the equation with two great experts, our regular co-host, Ryan Goodman, co-editor of "Just Security" and professor at NYU Law School and Barbara McQuade, former U.S. Attorney and professor at the University of Michigan Law School. It's just the kind of expertise you need to make sense of a crazy news week. Tune in.

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Donald Trump has promoted a foreign policy that seeks to reverse or undermine many of the lasting tenets of post WWII U.S. foreign policy. He wants to retreat into a gated community nationalism that eschews international institutions, alliances, engagement, diplomacy and even the basics of sound coordinated foreign and national security policy at home. The risks are becoming clearer every day: in Syria, via trade wars and in the gains Trump has won...for our rivals, notably the Russians. We discuss how long it may take to recover and how we may get there with Tony Blinken, former Deputy Secretary of State under President Barack Obama and currently an advisor to the presidential campaign of Joe Biden. It is an important, thought-provoking conversation that you won't want to miss. Join us.

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The not-so-secret secret of Trump foreign policy is that there is no policy. But the better kept secret is that we have one seeming policy from the President himself and then another, which is the effort of professionals in the government to keep the President from getting us all killed. It's not really the Deep State conspiracy whack jobs would have you believe in. It's the hidden check of our system: patriotic pros in our government who won't be corrupted by the corrupt or dumbed down by the dumb. Case in point: Syria. Another case in point: Ukraine. Join the great Rosa Brooks, the irreplaceable Kori Schake and the brilliant Ed Luce for another great, timely discussion on urgent issues--but maybe, just maybe this one won't leave you curled up under your bed.

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This was the week the cracks began to show in Republican defenses of the indefensible. Oh sure, there were more distractions, shenanigans and lies. But between the abortive attempt to hold the G7 Meeting at Trump's not-so-nice, faltering Doral golf resort, new testimony in House impeachment inquiry that made the president's crimes clearer than ever before and the shocking case made by the president's lawyers that even if the president murdered someone he could not be indicted or even investigated, the Constitutional crisis deepened and Trump became harder to defend. Join our great guests Susan Hennessey of Lawfare, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and co-host Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School for an absolutely essential and chilling discussion of precisely where we are amid the cascading scandals of the Trump Era.

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From describing Trump's violations of the Constitution's foreign and domestic emoluments clauses as the Trump Administration's "original sin" to grappling with a Manhattan phone book-length list of presidential crimes, Representative Jamie Raskin of the House Judiciary and Oversight Committees presents us with the current state of the impeachment efforts in the U.S. Congress. Raskin is one of Trump's most effective and thoughtful critics and his impassioned discussion of the president's serial abuses is must-listening. The second half of this episode is then the first in the series of behind-the-scenes powers in the Democratic Party and their views on how to achieve victory in 2020. Our guest is our friend and founding partner, Bernard Schwartz, a leading Dem donor and thought leader who brings to bear his decades of experience to frame the race ahead. Join us for two wide-ranging and illuminating conversations.

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What if the problem is not Trump. Or Boris Johnson. Or the rest of the current occupants of the global leadership clown car?

What if the problem runs deeper? What if something about our societies is fundamentally broken? What if that is democracy? What if each election to come takes us further from old ideals and toward deeper dysfunction? Ok, so maybe it's not what you want to hear about when you're driving home or 

working out or doing whatever you do when you're listening to Deep State Radio. But it's what you NEED to hear. A sobering and thought-provoking conversation with Georgetown University's Rosa Brooks and the Financial Times' Ed Luce. Tune in. 

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It has been a few days of staggering incompetence, ignorance, corruption and betrayal from the Trump Administration. The Kurds were betrayed not once but twice, most recently by a sham deal that facilitates Turkish ethnic cleansing. The White House Chief of Staff admitting a quid pro quo in the Ukraine scandal while, at the same time, announcing that the US would host the next G7 meeting at a Trump resort in Florida. Trump senior officials were taking turns throwing each other under the bus. And momentum to remove the president from office was gaining momentum. It takes a great group to sort this all out and we have them: Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law, Rosa Brooks, of Georgetown Law (and, maybe, president of the Deep State) and Ed Luce of the Financial Times analyze, explicate, lament and commiserate with you our dear listeners. Tune in! 

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As every day brings new testimony from former members of the Trump Administration that confirms there was widespread acknowledgment that what the President and his agents were doing in Ukraine was wrong, new questions emerge. How much more testimony will be required before an impeachment vote will take place? What will be the scope of the charges brought? How will the Congress deal with the refusal of central players in this drama--like Rudy Giuliani--to comply with subpoenas? How is this all impacting our standing in the world? Join us for a one-on-one conversation with Congressman Jim Himes of Connectictut, one of the most thoughtful and prominent voices on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. It is on the news and you won't want to miss it.

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Donald Trump gave the greenlight to a Turkish invasion of Syria that has already led to manifold calamities. We betrayed our Kurdish allies. They are already suffering atrocities and worse is likely ahead. We have thrown a lifeline to ISIS. We have strengthened Assad, Iran and Russia. And we are just a few days into this fiasco of failed foreign policy. Huge questions are raised by these events and we have an extraordinary panel to discuss them including Gen. Mark Hertling, former Commander of the US Army in Europe, Harvard Professor Stephen Walt, columnist and professor Joyce Karam and DSR regular David Sanger of the New York Times. It is essential listening. Join us.

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You've been waiting for it. You've been talking about it. You've been listening to our Rosa Brooks say we weren't there yet for a year now. But, finally, thanks to the really extraordinary rejection of basic Constitutional principles like separation of powers and the idea that Congress and the Executive are co-equal branches of government, we're there! We know because Rosa Brooks, of Georgetown Law School, and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security" say so on this special edition of Deep State Radio. Except perhaps it's not really a "baby" crisis. It's a big one and we discuss where it might go next on this pod. Don't miss it!

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Donald Trump has given the blessing of the U.S. to a Turkish invasion of Northern Syria that could lead to a humanitarian catastrophe for the Kurds, the alienation of an important ally, greater distrust among our other allies, and benefits for the Assad Regime, Iran and Russia. It has triggered a rare, bi-partisan chorus of condemnation of the president...and, within hours, military action on the Turkish-Syrian border. We are joined by a former U.S. Under Secretary of Defense Michele Flournoy, Georgetown University's Rosa Brooks, Kori Schake of the IISS, and Ed Luce of the Financial Times to discuss this latest calamitous decision by Trump and its likely consequences. Don't miss this essential conversation.

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With new scandals and controversies emerging every hour on the hour, it is hard to know which are serious, which are distractions and which are just hallucinations in the mind of a punch drunk nation. What does it mean? Where will it lead? We offer the expert and incisive perspectives of an extraordinary discussion between former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman, former FBI agent Asha Rangappa and our regular co-hosts, Ryan Goodman, co-editor of Just Security and professor at NYU Law School and David Rothkopf. You won't want to miss this discussion which seeks to untangle the web Trump & Co. have woven...and then explores just how much lasting damage it may do to our institutions. Please join us.

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The die is cast. Impeachment hearings are underway. The Trump presidency is in great (and well-deserved) peril. But, getting from where we are to an impeachment vote in the House and a conviction in the Senate will require a completely different tone and conduct from the Democratic leadership. And forestalling the end of the Trump presidency will require a change of pace from the White House. Edward Luce of the Financial Times and Mieke Eoyang, Vice President for National Security at the Third Way discuss and consider what is likely to happen next. Essential listening. Join us.

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A week ago a substantial majority of Americans opposed even an impeachment inquiry. Today, a majority of all Americans support such an inquiry and fully half support impeaching Trump outright. That's a massive swing that makes the support for impeaching Trump vastly greater than what it was at comparable moments for either Richard Nixon or Bill Clinton. How did we get here? Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Evelyn Farkas of the German Marshall Fund and Joe Cirincione of the Ploughshares Fund discuss, breaking down the latest developments and offering perspective you can find nowhere else. Tune in.

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It's not just you. We're all lying beneath the rubble of substantial portions of American democracy trying to figure out what hit us. Fortunately, you have us. So, climb on the treadmill or save this for the drive home or a long walk tonight...and join former U.S. Attorney Mimi Rocah and Ryan Goodman of Just Security and NYU Law School as we explore the revelations from the Ukraine Whistleblower case, the hearings with Acting Director of National Intelligence Maguire, and the president's latest threats against patriots just trying to do their job. It is essential listening for a very troubling and complicated time.

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The answer of course to the question posed in the title of this podcast is Greta Thunberg, the extraordinary young Scandinavian leader who has delivered the message that the climate crisis is real and urgent better than any world leader. America's president is a source of particular contempt for her as their recent passing encounter at the UN revealed. We discuss her impact, his impact, and the other big issues likely to be discussed in and around the UN General Assembly meetings this week in New York. Join Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School, Kori Schake of IISS and Max Bergmann of the Center for American Progress for a scintillating and timely discussion.

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Few Americans in our history have had such wide-ranging and distinguished careers as Leon Panetta. A former Secretary of Defense, Director of Central Intelligence and White House Chief of Staff as well as a long-time Congressman from California, Panetta is one of the most respected, thoughtful and experienced observers of U.S. national security and foreign policy. Panetta presents his views on the threats we face and the need to take them seriously. In this extraordinary interview he discusses the Ukraine Whistleblower case and why now is the time for an impeachment investigation, Trump undermining of Americans standing in the world and the risks associated with his allergy to advice or to drawing up on the professional national resources at his disposal. Don't miss this urgent, pointed interview.

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Every few weeks Trump does something that leads everyone to exclaim, "Now he really has done it! This will be the end of him." And every few weeks after people can hardly remember what the last surefire last straw was. Will the Ukraine whistleblower story be an exception or just further proof that our system is broken and Trump has carte blanche to do whatever he feels like doing? We discuss with Kori Schake of IISS, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and Max Bergmann of the Center for American Progress. Tune in!

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Our political system has built into it a kind of immune system to protect it from abuse and abusers. But just as how in life, bacteria develop that are resistant to drugs, so too in our system we have seen the emergence of a kind of threat that resists oversight, checks and balances and processes designed to keep us safe from corruption and tyranny. Donald Trump is just such a threat and recent revelations regarding how Trump's team sought to kill an investigation into suspect conversations he had with foreign leaders and further illustrations of Trumpworld's efforts to place the president above the law prove it. We discuss with the Washington Post's Greg Sargent, Amb. Ivo Daalder of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of "Just Security" and a professor at NYU Law School. It is an essential conversation. Don't miss it.

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We're getting into the serious campaigning for president and so far it's fair to say foreign policy hasn't really been front and center. Or anywhere to speak of. Should it be? Does it matter? Would say, a war in the Middle East matter? Like if it started...real soon? Or what about future Russian interference in the election? Anything? We discuss with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School, Kori Schake of IISS and Evelyn Farkas of the German Marshall Foundation. Join us.

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This episode was brought to you by the Election Ride Home Podcast. Someone is going to challenge Donald Trump for the White House... The Election Ride Home is a podcast dedicated to figuring out who that someone... or maybe even multiple someones... will end up being. Every day at 5pm eastern, veteran journalist and This American Life contributor Chris Higgins catches you up on what happened on the campaign trail. Who's up, who's down, what issues are getting traction, what do the polls say. It's a 15-20 minute show that keeps track of all the latest and summarizes it so you don't have to be nervously refreshing your web browser 12 times a day. It's like TLDR as a service. So, if you want to catch up on what you missed on your way home, listen to the Election Ride Home Podcast.

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John Bolton may not be National Security Advisor any more but it hardly matters because he wasn't actually ever really National Security Advisor to begin with. Trump never empowered him. Trump doesn't want advice. And that's why the NSC has withered and died. And that's why in the next year you can expect Trump to push for a bunch of very bad deals worldwide because he thinks it will help his election chances. Also: Impeachment heats up! Join us for a special, somewhat hair-raising conversation with two brilliant NSC veterans, Center for American Progress Vice President Kelly Magsamen and CNN Commentator Sam Vinograd plus our regular Thursday co-hosts, Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School and David Rothkopf.

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Today the House Judiciary Committee announced the new guidelines for its impeachment investigation. We are joined on this special edition of National Security Magazine by Representative Ted Lieu of California, a member of both the Judiciary and the Foreign Affairs Committees, who discusses where the investigation will go from here and shares his own view on the "mountains of evidence" pointing to the commission of multiple felonies by President Donald Trump. We also discuss the departure of National Security Advisor John Bolton and the Trump Administration's inexplicable fondness for President Vladimir Putin. Or maybe it is explicable. Join us and find out.

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We bet you think that there was plenty of crazy to go around this summer and that you were as unsettled by each day's news as you could be. Nonsense. We live in Trump times where yesterday's inconceivable outrage is wrapping today's fish and we're on to something we didn't even have a word for yesterday. That's not just true in the US either. Britain is reeling from its worst democratic crisis in centuries. The Taliban were coming to visit Camp David until they were not. The CIA pulled an asset from Russia because they didn't trust...the US President. Congress is ramping up impeachment investigations. And for some reason Ivanka dressed like a lily pad when repping the US with the President of Colombia. And Labor Day is just past. We help you prepare with this great back-to-school edition of your favorite pod featuring Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, IISS's Kori Schake and the Financial Times Ed Luce. Join us!

This episode is brought to you by the Election Ride Home Podcast. The Election Ride Home is a podcast dedicated to figuring out who that someone... or maybe even multiple someones... will end up being. Every day at 5pm eastern, veteran journalist and This American Life contributor Chris Higgins catches you up on what happened on the campaign trail. Who's up, who's down, what issues are getting traction, what do the polls say. It's a 15-20 minute show that keeps track of all the latest and summarizes it so you don't have to be nervously refreshing your web browser 12 times a day. It's like TLDR as a service. So, if you want to catch up on what you missed on your way home, search your podcast app and subscribe to the Election Ride Home podcast. Listen here.

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In the second of two episodes following up on the G7 meeting in Biarritz, Joe Cirincione of the Ploughshares Fund, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Evelyn Farkas of the German Marshall Fund discuss why the president of the US continues to play the role of emissary for the Kremlin. They also discuss the state of the campaign to replace to Trump and who might succeed him. Hint: There are only four or five people with a real chance. Tune in.

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If the president of the United States decides to launch a nuclear attack, our system is designed for him to be able to do so quickly and for virtually no one to be able to stop him. It takes four minutes from the moment he determines to do it until launch. This week, the president was revealed to have thought about using nuclear weapons against hurricanes and that wasn't the craziest thing he said or did. Joe Cirincione of the Ploughshares Fund and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law join David Rothkopf to discuss what protections may exist if the president has gone crazy. Tune in.

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